Wow housing just won the MMO war

:dracthyr_crylaugh: Who cares about twitch views…honestly…
Subs, and only subs are relevant, and WoW, despite having huge dips compared to vanilla up to WotLK era, with huge comeback numbers every so often, is doing pretty damn well.

Sure on argent dawn goldshire with war mode off its full but outside feels empty.

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Huge trouble :smirk:

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Yes… i am…

:person_facepalming:
Yeah…okay…
Old content is emtpy, oh noes, who would have thought…Eastern Kingoms and Kamlimdor where empty going towards mid/end of vanilla, not even speaking of when TBC launched.
Barely anyone runs around old zones, IN ANY MMO :exclamation:
Yes, Khaz Algor is old content.
Yes, depending on server there are no players even in new zones due to not having 10+million subs, plus layerning, sharding, etc. Yes, there are servers that are in dire need of fusing with bigger ones, but MMOs are a neglected genre compared to back then anyways.

You thin FF14 is full of players? Yeah, sure, in Limsa…but old zones are just as dead wioth the ocasional newbi/alt char. Just like with other MMOs with lots of servers

This is simply not true.
I’ve created a brand new character, and I am running into people in every zone at the moment, and that’s talking the oldest zones of ARR.

FFXIV simply does a way better job at keeping old zones relevant.

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I don’t think i will engage with housing. I don’t see appeal.

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There is no war between MMOs. If anything MMOs as a whole have to evolve and try to find their place in the gaming industry nowadays

It looks like Blizzard is trying very hard to make sure wow persists, and I hope they succeed doing this in Midnight and beyond. Square Enix might focus on the next Gen MMO already after FF14

Blizzard try nothing. Look how many feedbacks were there and none taken.
The only good feature that will come is housing but i’m sceptical since i know them and their products failure in the latest years.
Sorry if i sound harsh to copium guys but this is what wow feels to me in today days.

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stock price alone doesn’t guarantee long term health though, there could be underlying issues within the company

You’d be surprised. I played FFXIV for nearly a decade. It started out great, then struggled to provide meaningful content and story payoff for those of us who were actually invested in the setting. Imagine the equivalent of the Burning Legion and Scourge being unceremoniously wrapped up in the course of the same expansion and you have FFXIV’s supposedly ‘amazing’ story summed up rather well.

Of those who remain, most of them spend their time decorating houses and attending ‘venues’. With WoW’s housing set to be far more accessible than FFXIV’s counterpart, I predict a lot of players will move over.

You lose your house in FFXIV if you take a break for more than a month and a half, too.

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Thanks captain obvious.

Though who would be more inclined to know about trouble in the company? Would it be:
a) people with money on the line; or
b) The OP

I mean square enix is a big company. If you look at their 5 year trend they were stagnating pretty much until recently. Their recent sharp rise this year could be due to the switch 2 release, as they are gonna likely release some titles there

I think Nintendo’s incredible success is pushing the whole market up

I bid 1200!

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Might be i have missed some new information, but so far the new iteration of wow housing seems to be presented as intentionally functionless.

Happy to be wrong here, but the new housing seems to not include gold making, crafting, pvp, pve, levelling or any other functionality at all, and seems to be just a decorative piece.

Since there is nothing TO DO there, except AFK, its unrealistic to expect people to spend much time on this feature beyond initially setting it up.

Maybe some collectionists will be happy to have a new thing to grind, but how is this adding gameplay for others

What this will have, is a negative effect actually
Where people will be like, oh housing is back, resubscribe, check this out, get disappointed and unsub again.

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I’m not even defending OP’s view. I just offered a basic, grounded perspective. Investors arent omniscient gods, and markets react to hype and herd behavior all the time.

But of course expecting you to respond like a normal human being, without taking everything as a personal insult, is apparently too much.

I mean… It’s supposed to be your house, and the Hero of Azeroth isn’t a couch potato like the player piloting it :sweat_smile::sweat_smile::sweat_smile:

Jokes aside… I think adding AH makes sense, but I don’t think they should be too aggressive with adding QoL to housing?

They should add crafting though and enable trade chat I’d say, or even better: Turn trade chat global

A balanced grounded perspective isn’t “just because everything looks alright doesn’t mean it is”

Because nothing “guarantees” the health of a company, that much is flippin’ obvious, no?

But on balance if the stock price goes up 80% its a reasonable assumption that people with skin in the game have looked at it pretty thoroughly. Financials are in order, they have a good product pipeline, no legal problems, talent not fleeing to competition and so on.

Why not offer a “balanced grounded perspective” on the OP’s completely made up assertion instead of the one I backed up with decent logic? Thats what a normal human being would do.

Ok, so lets concentrate on that. If as you say, the hero of azeroth is not a couch potato, would not it be logical to add something along the lines of
-Raid/dungeon portals
-WQ zones portals and timed activities (like excavations) portals
-Island expeditions npc
-Visions of nzoth portals
etc. It would make sense, if this supposed active hero would want to be able to at least build a portal to their activity of choice.

But what if the hero IS a potato? And only logs in to craft? This kind of person would never go to a house, since there is neither AH, nor crafting station

I can come up with features, that could have been endlessly, its pointless

The fact is blizzard seem to plan player house as a useless piece of decoration

The reason they seem to give, is that if it brings any utility, then it will become an additional grind. I personally dont believe thats the reason, tho, since if blizzard cared about useless grinds, we would not have trash mobs just for one.

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I would like to have a crafting table and auction house in the player housing or at least neighbourhood. I would find it really badass to create some orcish or dwarven crafting hall with a blacksmithing forge inside

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