Wow housing just won the MMO war

[Lilíith-draenor]

@Macsíomóin-silvermoon

With more people being into this sort of thing these days, FF14 and other mmo’s are going to see a massive drop off.

This is pretty much what I wanted since starting 20 odd years ago. It has lit a fire in me to do all my outstanding Achievements and i feel they will only improve it as we go.

Well lets see first what it costed us in game.

Last time garrisons costed us whole raid tier . This time it may be even bigger cuts in pve.

[Aspie-silvermoon]

@Dejarous-draenor

A balanced grounded perspective isn’t “just because everything looks alright doesn’t mean it is”

Because nothing “guarantees” the health of a company, that much is flippin’ obvious, no?

But on balance if the stock price goes up 80% its a reasonable assumption that people with skin in the game have looked at it pretty thoroughly. Financials are in order, they have a good product pipeline, no legal problems, talent not fleeing to competition and so on.

Why not offer a “balanced grounded perspective” on the OP’s completely made up assertion instead of the one I backed up with decent logic? Thats what a normal human being would do.

An 80% jump can suggest investor confidence, decent financials, a solid pipeline, etc. But markets aren’t perfect systems. People with “skin in the game” can still pile into hype and miss the writing on the wall (see any tech bubble). So yes, financial statements don’t capture everything. Especially in a creative industry where IP quality can undermine longterm success, without it being reflected in a quarterly report.

Like it or not, I decide which comments warrant a response. A balanced perspective doesn’t mean indulging every baseless claim an OP throws out. Your points are noted, but the toxic delivery and ego sparring are just flat out exhausting.

[Exiasee-eonar (Exiasee)]

@Lilíith-draenor

This time it may be even bigger cuts in pve.

I wouldn’t be surprised if we see each tier having just 6 or 7 bosses and every dungeon and raid be just an instanced part of the overworld. We are slowly but definitely moving towards that

[Brotchen-the-venture-co]

@Lilíith-draenor

Well lets see first what it costed us in game.

Last time garrisons costed us whole raid tier . This time it may be even bigger cuts in pve.

I mean, garrisons were extremely complicated and in-depth, this new thing is just a piece of decor.

If there are any cuts in raid or dungeon production, it should not be based on this, but rather because of overall WOW shrinking down due to player loses.

[Linapriest-ragnaros]

Said who? WoW housing will never beat Gw2.
Also, in FF you have a true main, GL with housing to WoW players who fotm each season. They truly care of their characters, right? Right?

[Linapriest-ragnaros]

How many bots out of this million? 800k?

[Beerwolf-sunstrider (Beerwolf)]

What a sad OP…

[Crowzer-argent-dawn (Crowzer)]

You lose your house in FFXIV if you take a break for more than a month and a half, too.

Yep, that’s why I never owned a house in FF14. I played few thousand hours but with long months hiatus. And indeed, if you don’t log within 45 days, your house is destroyed. I don’t think it will happen in WoW.

Fortunately, my guild let me to decorates all our medium house, so I experienced the housing in FF14. And I will be able to compare after to WoW (even I’ll never return to FF14 for sure).

[Leeches-aggramar]

@Linapriest-ragnaros

WoW housing will never beat Gw2.

You probably thought this with the mount system as well and then WoW just said “yoink” and copied it 1:1. Now you’ve got the GW2 mount system, but instead of being trapped in a hideous DX11 MMO that looks like its forever in 2009, its now in the biggest MMO with the most updates.

WoW can and will just do the same if GW2’s housing does anything better than Blizzard’s own ideas.

Also, in FF you have a true main, GL with housing to WoW players who fotm each season.

in FF if you log off for a few months to enjoy another game, the developers delete your house.

They truly care of their characters, right? Right?

My warrior is almost twice the age of FF14. You’re coping if you think people in WoW don’t have mains.

[Hiawathá-outland]

Ah yes, the hype for a mini game the sims. As much as I love the sims myself I dread the idea of it in WoW.

I’m glad for those excited tho.

[Deed-silvermoon]

WoW housing will be a win when I’ll be able to place my house in Ashenvale, until then it’s just human biased feature.

[Kda-die-nachtwache]

@Macsíomóin-silvermoon

went form 12 million to less than one million and ff14 took off along with others.

Source for that numbers ?

[Linapriest-ragnaros]

@Leeches-aggramar

Now you’ve got the GW2 mount system

Wow doesn’t have gw2 mount system lol. Not even close
Wow has the best updates? Like siren isle or randomly increasing your ilvl and that’s it, just for idiotic grind like you are some slave. You have very low standards. Another complier

[Sinndor-living-flame]

@Macsíomóin-silvermoon

This just tells me you are full of crap, and didn’t watch anything, its not a garrison 2, not even close.

Well your house Is instanced. So it has some bad features of garrisons. Its not actual real place in the world like ffa housing. Its instanced zone with loading screen.

[Tracyworgen-gehennas]

I’m not a fan of the 1 house per faction thing… Why not per character?

Not like my orc dk and blood elf mage have much in common.

[Brotchen-the-venture-co]

@Sinndor-living-flame

Well your house Is instanced. So it has some bad features of garrisons. Its not actual real place in the world like ffa housing. Its instanced zone with loading screen.

New wow housing is basically garrisons, but much smaller and without utility.
Literally demo version of garrisons

Only u used to be able to choose buildings and now you are able to choose the flowerpot

Small is beautiful?

[Nannexx-argent-dawn]

@Keento-argent-dawn

This is simply not true.
I’ve created a brand new character, and I am running into people in every zone at the moment, and that’s talking the oldest zones of ARR.

FFXIV simply does a way better job at keeping old zones relevant.

Hm Well, yes.
FF14 doesn’t make a better job at keeping old zones relevant, they are just forcing new characters, be it new or alt player, through the entire game whereas WoW forces new players into Dagonflight (?) or the Starter Islands, giving them no real chance to use the old zones for leveling and new alt chars just speed level through dungeons, chromie time or whatever.
But as for you seeing more people in old FF14 zones than I do, maybe that really is just a server thing or timeframe thing for me why I see barely any people.
But overall, maybe yes, FF14 probably does have more people in old zones due to being forced through the entire content, and WoW just has absolutely zero most of the time.

@Sinndor-living-flame

Well your house Is instanced. So it has some bad features of garrisons. Its not actual real place in the world like ffa housing. Its instanced zone with loading screen.

WoW has instanced neighbourhoods, FF14 has instanced neighbourhoods. FF14 and WoW both have loading screens entering the neighbourhood. FF14’s housing is not in the real world.
FF14’s neighbourhood is probably just a lot bigger.