WoW is P2W - Do you agree?

Couldn’t you argue that offering skips and whatnot is them doing exactly that?

Well, we all know that’s not true. Most players are in this for themselves and themselves only. Which in essence is fine; they’re paying for a product and they expect it to be to their liking. As a customer that’s fine.

It’s the developer’s job and duty to keep the bigger picture in mind (whilst at the same time not forsaking their fiduciary duty).

I don’t need to see all players to know the general trend. Some unicorn existing does not mean much.

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Does every player in the game have a credit card with the the same amount of disposable cash on it that they can spend on Blizzard’s Online Store?

No!

So how is it fair?

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No no, you don’t get to do that. You should compare this person to someone of similar skill and commitment when determining what impact the gear made, not to someone who is much better.

If you do that, you’re actually doing an analysis which includes the variable we’re trying to isolate away, namely skill.

Think about what would happen if somehow the person that didn’t get the gear and had the same skill landed in the same groups - it would be even worse.

Who is gonna invite some guy with no score or gear to a +10?

Ahh so you think that things shouldnt be available if people dont all have the money to buy them?
I cant afford a Ferrari. Does that make it unfair that other people can buy them?

Yea that’s true, so they lost before they even got a chance to play. :joy:

To the guy who paid, no less.

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So we remove the token and the cash shop, wow is no longer p2w. Will that really change anything? Or will it just make things go back to how it was before token, ppl still buying gold with real money? Ofc at a higher risk. And the ones that now play for free might have to stop playing cause they cant buy the gametime and expansions with gold anymore.

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You don’t know. You have no basis of knowing. You assume. And you assume without documentation. So I’m sorry, but that’s a claim to be disregarded because it’s poor argumentation. It’s an anecdotal fallacy to use a personal or one-time experience to draw a general conclusion about a subject.

And you’re doing that. Repeatedly. You would be admonished in school for using that kind of flawed argumentation rhetoric.

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I’ve boosted in WoW.

The people that buy boosts are pretty much never good players.

If we start going that road. Then not everyone can even afford the sub, not every one can afford a pc or internet connection.

How is that fAIr?

Have you done all the boosts for all the players who’ve ever bought boosts?

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I don’t need to do that to know the general trends.

You do.

How large a percentage of boosts in this game would you estimate that you’ve done?

Of all the boosts that have happened in WoW, roughly how big a share have you done of those?

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It would change something: Gold farmers would become much more prevalent than they already are. Which is completely detrimental to the whole game.

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No.

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The boosters accept gold not money (if they don’t want to be banned), every single player in this game is capable of farming gold. Oh no Timmy will buy his boost and get rejected from groups earlier than Johnny who is also buying a boost and getting declined in groups. The unfairness is just inhumane.

Yes.

With the sheer volume of boosts being done on a daily basis, the fact that you’ve done some of them is irrelevant.

Because the amount you’ve done is probably only 0.00000000000001% of the whole sum.

And you trying to draw a general trend and assumption of the whole based on a perception drawn from 0.00000000000001% is a logical fallacy.

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We can play your game against you as well.

Awaiting your proof that boosts are bought by “descent skilled players” en masse.

That wasn’t my claim. My claim was that all kinds of players likely buy boosts, based on the sheer volume of boosts being sold. It would defy reality that any small segment of terrible players can singlehandedly create so much demand for Heroic Fyrakk boosts. That large demand is evidence of a large group of players, and that means all kinds of players and not just a single segment, i.e. the n00bs.

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