WoW should steal more stuff from GW2

[Blinkrush-magtheridon (Blinkrush)]

WoW would benefit greatly from switching to mostly horizontal design instead of doing vertical hamster-wheel rat race every expansion

[Vinnem-eonar]

While i agree with the udea, i don’t agree that GW2 maos are populated at all. Usually everyone is only on the latest one.
Many maps are completely abandoned and given the game is kind of design for several players, it’s a real pain to travel about alone.

[Blinkrush-magtheridon (Blinkrush)]

That’s not the issue of map design but the issue of old maps being ignored as the base for new content.

MMO game designers are hard stuck on the idea that new content needs to be placed in a brand new zone and the idea of reuse of maps is some horrible alien idea which no one should try.

[Jóôló-drakthul]

@Vintoleth-ghostlands

they were in a fix lets be honest. if Legion had failed, WoW could maybe have been relegated to the bottom of activisions concerns and would never again had had much effort put into it. they had to pull out all the stops to trigger peoples memories. thats why so many people/locations were reused in Legion.

it is the same in SL. they know BfA was a low point, not as bad as WoD maybe, (cause they wont release figures) but even still) so they are trying to trigger the “good memories” we have by putting in old npcs.

I think that blizzard is trying to fix their LORE …because TBC lore with ilidan was HORRIBLE they are trying to give lore a UNIVERSAL feeling something like marvel did over 12 years
They are trying to setup a next stage of WOrld of warcraft becuase if you are a player you can tell that there are not lot of places to put on mop in azeroth so we are going SPACE WAR now with all the cosmic forces

[Jóôló-drakthul]

@Vintoleth-ghostlands

• you picked maybe the hardest class to play :\
• if you only lasted 15 mins, (im presuming game play, not including character creation) then you barely had time to finish the first couple of quests. unlike WoW, (iirc) your first tasks in GW2 are the start of your story campaign, not zone questing.

I was playin woman and i was in some town i dont remember exactly but i can tell that i liked how I was shooting fire gameplay of that class was fun almost similar to wow…but as i said the ANIME graphics or i don’t now how it is called killed the game for me i like ANIME but dislike that style in games its like new world or ashes of creation the gameplay looks fun but the graphic is too REALISTIC in those games

[Vintoleth-ghostlands (Vintoleth)]

@Jóôló-drakthul

SPACE WAR now with all the cosmic forces

but thats not why i joined WoW, and while i do feel im in the minority more and more in WoW discussions, i dont think i would be here. WoW is meant to be dragons, elves, dungeons and wizzards. if i wanted space war, i would look for a Warhammer 40k style.

@Jóôló-drakthul

I was playin woman

the sex of the character doesn’t change its ability ;p

@Jóôló-drakthul

ANIME

@Jóôló-drakthul

REALISTIC

this is the answer to your own question i think. i dont play/watch any “anime” stuff, but in my mind but it is a unique style, like how i presume FF is. GW2 and other games are heading towards realism. and this is a totally different direction to WoW.

putting aside creatures, just the environment, you can see that the art style for WoW is almost like a painting rather than a photo. games like GW2 are trying to aim more for photo/realism.

its an artstyle i spose. elements of WoW environment are great, maybe the stronger aspect of the game, but seeing a field or volcano in GW2 is really wow!!

[Popgligor-magtheridon]

@Slapface-kazzak

When you work, you do something annoying that you’d rather not be doing because you need to.

Erm, I actually love my job. It is incredibly fun. I actually started going back to the office because I want to. Nobody even asked me to come back. I just love my job.

@Slapface-kazzak

When you play a video game, you have fun.

Since when is farming gold to bypass itemshops fun? The moment something has an asking price, the sane thing to do is evaluate the value of time vs money. If something costs $2 and it takes me 2 hours to farm it it makes much more sense to spend the $2 and spend the 2 hours actually playing the thing I wanted to play anyway, don’t you think? If I farm it, that puts the value of my time at $1/hour. This is pathetic. Saying “you can farm it” is like saying “You can play the game suboptimally, when the optimal way is to spend money”. What type of a defense is that?

@Slapface-kazzak

Since you partake in events, you 1) explore the map 2) unlock collection achievements 3) most importantly, gain XP to unlock new masteries which in turn unlock or improve access to mounts, gliding, merchants, utility/crafting perks and other means to travel and access secret areas (trampoline mushrooms, leyline gliding, etc).

And then I spend the gold on unlocking quests when I could be spending it on something else instead.

My point is this - we hate Blizz, because its Blizz. Other companies can get away with milking you, because they’re not Blizz and we don’t hate them. It’s not about the practice - a gamer will excuse any business practice as long as it’s in a game they enjoy. GW2 might be a great MMO. It’s monetization stinks so hard that it pushed me away from the game. There is no defense for it other than “I like the game”. Well, good for you. The monetization still stinks.

Everybody who thinks GW2’s monetization is good has made their opinions on gaming monetization objectively invalid.

[Vintoleth-ghostlands (Vintoleth)]

@Popgligor-magtheridon

Erm, I actually love my job.

you are lucky then. many people are in jobs they dont like or just tolerate just because they need a financial income. but while i understand what slap is trying to relate it to, it gets off topic a bit as peoples circumstances are different, as you have proven.

@Popgligor-magtheridon

My point is this - we hate Blizz, because its Blizz. Other companies can get away with milking you, because they’re not Blizz and we don’t hate them. It’s not about the practice - a gamer will excuse any business practice as long as it’s in a game they enjoy. GW2 might be a great MMO. It’s monetization stinks so hard that it pushed me away from the game. There is no defense for it other than “I like the game”. Well, good for you. The monetization still stinks.

Everybody who thinks GW2’s monetization is good has made their opinions on gaming monetization objectively invalid.

there is a massive difference between WoW and GW2 though, WoW is a monthly sub. GW2 is free. as such, it needs some form of monetization to survive as a game with updating content, rather than a stand alone game with no updates.

but again, i think you are focusing too much on the shop here. but maybe thats because it seems so unobtainable that i dont bother thinking about it. if there was a transmog skin, and a mount skin i wanted, i would buy those and be done with the shop.

however in WoW, there should be NO shop what so ever. the mounts/pets should not be there, and the services should also not be there. faction/server inbalance is because of blizzard and we should not be charged a fix. and the other options are far too expensive for what is essentially a click of a button.

just look at sex change. people being paying for that for years, yet now its free. this shows it was never hard to do and was just a cash grab.

[Barbarían-silvermoon]

@Kaÿthë-kirin-tor

Fractals have been introduced in Guild wars 2 as part of the Lost Shores Patch released in November 2012
Greater Rift from Diablo 3 came in the patch 2.1 released in August 2014
MM+ came with Legion in August 2016

Fractals are not timed, there’s no key, and there’s no gear carrot. Besides maybe using better Agony resistance, but you can literally buy it at the AH.

Fractals are just about pushing next levels and there’s like… 100 of them ?

Sure at its core you could say it’s loosely based on that, but honestly it’s way closer to the greater rifts… because they used D3 designers

[Gráinne-earthen-ring]

WoW should steal more stuff from GW2

I watch’d your play from end to end
And liked the half you pilfer’d best.
But sure the work you still may mend,
Take courage, man, and steal the rest!
– Alexander Pope