I think WoW needs to remove leveling completely. If they are trying to make it look more modern, they can at least do that. I don’t like how WoW changed over the years, but it was natural direction and a reasonable one. If you look at common sense, you will realize why MMORPGs are not in trend anymore. It takes a lot of time to grind character to max level in older MMOs, and many people lack the creativity and adventurous spirit to do repetitive content right. I for example would much prefer if I had to prepare for 5-6 hours for every raid, or 4-5h for 2-3h of mythic+. But majority of people don’t want to do it that way. So I would say that blizzard needs to remove everything that is of old formula, and keep only things that makes people engaged with content, let them have fun, it’s healthy for community. They should just design game around pve/pvp in mind, in fact they did that, but they have some left over formulas like leveling. Some people maybe like to level in retail, but I think it’s not the same anymore, for many of us, since we all experienced almost everything there is, it’s just some kind of killing time content for me, especially if I do it with dungeon run ways.
The moment that happens its the moment I stop my Subscription.
So no,just no.
Leveling should be longer and better, imho.
There’s no need to remove leveling. It’s something you do at the start of an expansion and then don’t really need to do again after that point.
If you don’t enjoy leveling…why are you doing it more than once? Just pick a single character to focus on instead. There’s already many methods that speed it up significantly for alt characters
If anything, it moves far too quickly. I tend to do every quest that I come across to soak up the new story elements, including side quests. In the past, such an approach just barely got me to the level cap and I’d still need to do a few dungeons along the way to get enough experience.
Nowadays if you take such an approach you can reach the level cap before you’ve even reached the final zone.
Back when wow wasn’t a grandpa… It was completely next level and new to the gaming world for us players… Sure mmo existed before wow. But no one where able to capture that new feeling of playing a fantasy character in a whole new world to explore like wow where able to do back then…
No new mmo today gives us that new exploration feeling either that wow gave back then. Their all more or less the same thing in different packages with better or worse graphics…
If you really wanted to give young and old players alike that fresh new feeling of exploring and discovering a new game like never before again? Ive said it before and il say it again…
Make an VRMMORPG. that puts you inside the game. and you will experience it way more immersive than any other fantasy game you have ever played before.
If a wow 2 ever happens? I hope it at least has VR support. Experiencing Azeroth in todays graphics and in vr would definitely give me that fresh noob explorer feeling I had back in 2005.
God forbid the terrible sin of empathy. 
The violent mindless brute stereotype people want their characters to be.
Its funny, when you want well rounded characters who act like leaders, who are stong dependable and know what they want there called toxic. But the truth is thats just a left wing talking point got forbid men act like men.
They say a womans vegina has more than 8000 nerves but… Men acting like ‘‘men’’ Seem to have millions more xD And they call the left wing toxic.
For me it’s more… Odysseus, or Ulysses. It’s not so much about physical strength alone, as it’s about determination, courage, being able to put others first, trusting your own judgement, trusting your instincts, and when you struggle to have faith you can do it. All healthy men I’ve known have something of this quintessential manliness, and it’s inspirational for many men I think to see this larger than life in stories, whatever the medium is that conveys it. It touches upon something deep and old.
As much as it’s perfectly ok for men to show their doubts, their fears, their sadness, it is also ok they enjoy this imho.
Well said 100% correct. But it seems modern media don’t want to portray men like that for some reason.
Modern media always have and still does want that though. Look at the cartoons we show our kids? Male super heroes all over the place showing a fight for our democracy and way of life and chivalry.
Then you come in and just be like ‘‘Nah everything is so anti male right now’’ And one has too ask why do you think that?
Surely you dont support Cylaris one bit. Thats a cop out.
Well look at it this way, you used the term “toxic masculinity” so what about Varian is toxic?
varian was just awesome <.< He wasn’t toxic at all.
Too be toxic in my book… As a male? You need to think your superior than others. That you cannot be wrong. That you are always right. Have a might makes right mindset. No matter how super stupid you are. Unga bunga
I literally cant over state how much I hate people like that IRL enough. People who think they have nothing left to learn… People who always think they are superior to others.
‘‘unga bunga I am so big and thratening and nobody dares talk against me. Must mean me always right… People speak against? I beat them up… cause I have two braincells hard at work and lots of brawn… And IF i where wrong? They would beat me up? huggadurrr 
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But that’s all people; people can suck. As someone who was bullyed all though school for being “diffrent” you come to realise most but not all people grow up and its just a phase and you move on with your life. The issue is with them, and becoming a victim just proves everything they made you feel and think about yourself, right.
True… but what do you feel about the wall of ‘‘entry’’ though Delanji? How tall do you think it should be? Should it be gatekept?
If we want new players… isn’t it logical we make it as fun and including as possible?
Think new players wanna join us for endgame content fun. If they have to pass a massive wall first?
“Fun” is subjective, I hate pvp my wife loves it. so I need you to reframe your question what do you mean?
I am sorry lmao… OOF! i SEEM! to be mixing our discussion with someone elses I am currently having on the forums.
What makes it fun and enganging for new players has nothing to do with male masculinity and what makes fun for new players 
I apologize
Probably less governance and lax controls allowed them to get away with it back then. However if your audience grows and your player base doesn’t get younger then you should opt to change with your audience. Keep in mind MMo’s are not what a 12 year old is rushing to play. They much prefer first shooter, no level requirements and just get on with it games. Ironically those who do enjoy RPG’s and some not most are also the audience playing those single player RPG’s with M for Mature content. Yes those with the blood gore and violence not necessarily with the edgy romances.
If I were Blizzard, I would just up my peg 16 and get on with grittier, edgier stories. No need for profanity and nudity (though sex will always sell) just get darker and more violent with tensions boiling over. Just because the two factions are at peace does not mean they all need to meet eye to eye on every subject.
The tension in TWW is meant to be between Alleria and Xalatath - though it is hard to take Alleria seriously when she looks like someone who has just stepped out of an Instagram makeup tutorial. Xalatath on the other hand is portrayed about right though her look could just be a bit more menacing than disney like. I believe the voice actress is doing a great job which just about carries the character solo.
Can I buy into it and get immersed - not really as it is Alleria that completely breaks the immersion and is unconvincing even though the voice actress tries hard its more the expressions and over look that lose me. She is a Windrunner and should act like one.
Oh, I personally wouldn’t mind them upping the PEGI for WoW to 18+, but I think in that case we’d have a lot of parents whining in the forums about now being unable to play with their kids without endangering their state of mind… or something like that.
I personally think raising the label and adjusting it to the increasing age of the playerbase would be very healthy for the game and lore, because I’m convinced the largest part of WoW players are 30+ year old and - as you said - young players aren’t interested in this game anyway. Was just trying to point out the OPs problem. 
The amount of “toxicity” and its “content” going around. Seeing a bare chested female would be the least of their worries 