Those things would be a challenge, I agree. I was thinking about that myself. My performance is always top. I only do not do mythic raiding because I think they are not worh the trouble, everything else I can do without addons, I can always see what is happening. And I am able to outperform people who use addons that tell them, move in, move out, stack, dont stack… So my topic is not about me, it is just an oppinion about something.
Anyway, my whole idea is, that with mechanic/design tweaks, game engine could be be made in such a way, that player is interacting with it through observing what is happening in game, instead of being told by addon. STACK
STOP ATTACKING THIS BOSS, ATTACK THE OTHER ONE … wtf
How would you know if you out perform anyone unless you have a dps meter add-on or someone was logging the fight.
Doing mechanics is only one part of your performance. You can stack and avoid to your hearts content but if you dont do any damage your performance is still lacking.
It seems you have an issue with addons like dbm, weak auras or bigwigs rather than the enormous variety of addons thst people use for all sorts of reasons.
No addons are compulsory. You can use as many or as few as you wish.
Yes, metters like recount are the only addons that I see as necessary. That is the part, that I agreed with you in the previous post.
Theoretically, it would be nice if even that is not necessary like in gw2, but I do not see how realistically it can be done. Because, you can not even know if your dps rotation is good, if you can not see a dps metter. So to even utilize your character to its max, you need a meeter to help you out figuring stuff.
Total RP addon is about 50% of the roleplaying itself.
You could install console port addon where you will be able to play wow on console controller doing your quests when lying in the bed/couch and playing on big tv just like FFXIV.
There are addons which add up to the gaming experience.
or you can let people make the decision to use them or not, kinda like how it is now? what is it with some players and not wanting others to have options?
Addons in wow complaints are the same as old people complaining about new technology.
No addon automizes anything or plays the game for you, that is the one rule they have to follow. What they do is make tasks you would have to do manually, easier and less of a pain in the behind.
Yes we could keep track of all healers healing cooldowns by just saying it every time, or we could use raid tools and just take a look instead of doing that and instead keep talking about what we had for dinner.
Yes we could keep timers outselves and watch what the boss does (Most raids have someone shouting out what the boss is doing anyway) Or we could take a look at the timers and know.
We could also write down the list of the interupt chain and which marker we have to interupt at what number of casts, or just look at the list the RL posted in the addon.
I could also hit a Fing training dummy for an hour each time I get an item I am not sure if it improves my stats or not instead of simming it, I am sure my raid will have no problem waiting for me while I do that.
We could also solve a complicated equasion by writing a page or paper full of small steps as we solve it or just type it into a computer or calculator, noone complains about that though.
First clear any content while its current. How about that? Dont talk about stuff you have no first hand experience on while it requires it.
It wouldnt. With the current system we have now one can cover oneself effectively if desired in TF gear through keystones. The only thing you would cause is people running even more keystones as its the easiest way to do (and frankly one doesnt need any addons for that)
Thats the case already even with addons. Go and face a gladiator team with a team of your own around your highest ranking. Actually let the glad team use no addons and yours can use everything you want. Then please tell us the story of how you guys were ripped apart.
It wouldnt. Not one bit.
And how? All items that are worth anything are being crafted left and right. Those which are not wouldnt be crafted then either as the items would still be crap.
“always was”. So were addons. Your point being?
That wouldnt change anything. If you think Raider IO and co are the reason why youre not being invited than youre frankly put delusional. People will always find and create measurements for you to fulfill before they accept you.
It causes fights to be more complex. If you rid WoW of addons then you will get vanilla encounters back. Aka faceroll. Yes, vanilla bosses (all of them) were faceroll mechanically speaking.
Been there. Done that.
It shows them whats going on. Major difference.
Also im using your own sentence against you: Go and get cutting edge. Then come back and talk about PvE endgame.
He did not. He told you that without addons the fights would be needed to be dumbed down to LFR level.
There is. Rogue kick has an kick animation for instance.
Sure buddy. As i said: Dont comment on stuff that requires first hand XP while you lack it entirely.
Thats being done by the RL regardless. Even quite often ignoring what DBM/Bigwigs is saying. But would you raid you would know that.
I’m wondering if Proklet has ever been in an organised raid…His comments would suggest he’s not.
The idea that raiders rely on addons is absurd, they use them sure but chances are the tactics used will differ from what DBM says a lot of the time for various reasons.
I personally run with 3 addons, dbm - healbot - recount(or some other dps meter). DBM for timers which I glance at, healbot…dunno I just have it up all the time…off heal/dispells, recount I use for well nothing…I look at it after a fight sometimes.
I’m no mythic raider…not got time for that effort but damn if the op isn’t so far off the mark it’s almost funny.
I can live without addons i can track stuff manually but some people who play this game are like 40 it is very hard for them so i can see why they cant accept this.
Addons have existed since I can remember, damage meters going all the way back to even vanilla.
There are many parts of the game where addons make fundamental parts of the game usable, or at least bring significant QoL changes. For example tab targeting in PvP without having to cycle through like 10-20 pets to find the real target.
There are reasonable limits already on Addons that prevent botting, and I think Blizz’s implementation of addons currently is just fine as far as I can tell.
Yeah, most of the addons I couldn’t go without are UI improvements. Addons that auto-repair gear at repair NPC, auto sell grey nonsense, allow me to move action bars around, or give me a combat text that actually tells something instead of the dated travesty the base combat text is (just numbers without context - why doesn’t the game have an option to add an icon them so you know which number is which ability, after 15 years?).
When it comes to boss fights, some important abilities have a message attached to them even in the game (though not as visible) but some mechanics, such as “keep X yds apart” would be impossible without addons as the game gives you no hint where that distance is.
actually yes, addons are fine for aesthetics (i mean Skyrim without SkyUI…ugh) but for mechanics i much prefer an intuitive style of play not a machine doing everything for me, ‘boss is about to do this’,’ move over here now’…
but then i am old, i’m not from the generation that has a phone app to tell them how to get out of bed in the morning…-.- (sorry, no offense intended)
if those wonky mechanics go beyond challenging and are game breaking then that should be between the testers and the devs, i’d rather not pay for a game that i need to make myself…
The irony of that nonsense design policy isn’t lost on me either.
Devs are obliged to make content hard enough to be challenging with add-ons.
So more time wasted for them and add-on makers.
0 benefit to players.
My 1,7 k Rio buddy, cutting edge tank constantly dies at mythic island cause I assume these add-ons do not cover their mechanics xD
This whole post is a nonsense. Not having addons would just make the game worse, not better.
Lets just look at some addons im using as an example.
Elvui -
makes the ui look better and better raid frames it offers than baseline one.
Im pretty sure you never played a resto druid if you think the base one is good enough. It only tracks 3 hots on frames and resto has 6+. Even if you go with base, you still need an addon to track more hots.
Clique-
Lets me heal in my preferred way instead of macroes all over my action bar. I can save space with not having wild growth and rejuv and regrowth there.
Details, no logs as you mentioned, no rio-
How can guilds recruit without knowing the skills of those ppl. Sure when you only play normal it doesnt matter, but mythic guilds will want actually good players and not wasting their time with someone.
How do you know why you wiped on a boss. Who didnt interrupt who didnt dispel, how xy died again after 100 pulls.
How do you know a healer is underperforming or a dps.
Weak Auras-
Making life so much easier.
Showing on middle of my screen what spells i have available instead of looking at my bars…
Showing resource like astral power or mana more visible.
Showing in dungeons whose interrupt is available for next kick.
Whats the point in not having these options? It wont make the game harder in an interesting way.
Dbm-
Sure you can know not to stand in bad stuff but as a resto druid or disc your performance depends on preparing something that will come in in the next x seconds. Or as a dps looking at timer when adds spawning when should you use your cooldowns.
Thinking no dbm would make the game better is retarded.
I have other addons including one that makes picking up mails easier and making the AH more usable. Making world quest rewards more visible without mouseovering all of the zones.
Feel free to dream m8, its not gonna happen. Enjoy not playing addons though if you are that kind of weirdo.
I have 50 characters and been playing since 2008 and just like to say I have never, and I mean NEVER used an add-on. I always viewed them as a cheat and able to muck up my system. I spent some time in the early days researching addons but always found Blizzard warning about the issues so I never used them.
I just don’t see the point really. Never had them so don’t understand them. Bit like heirlooms that I have never used or character boosts. So never use them and never will.
PS I can’t comment on whether it makes the game better. Sadly the developers seem set in ruining that for me anyway so I doubt any addon is going to make it better… or not. Dunno.
I very much doubt the realm first racers who no doubt use all sorts of addons, use them because of any age bracket you deem too old to be able to game.
Lets face it most high end players use addons and it’s not because they are anywhere near 40-.
I am talking about majority and they do that because every other world racer does that… so if they dont they will fall behind.tracking cooldowns is nothing for them but back to the point people who depend on addons are either old or lazy neckbeards and there is nothing wrong with that i am not at all with removing addons.
As someone with bad eyesight I used several add-ons just to do the everyday things.
I need co-ordinates to find many things, cave entrances particularly.
Storyline display quest text in a font that is legible (that font and yellow background is too hard for me to see).
GTFO warns me when I’m standing in bad stuff. I always thought it weird that standing in a campfire which does no dangers makes my toon yelp but standing in purple swirly death mist goes unremarked until death…
Of course these could (and perhaps should) be baked into the game (at least as optional settings).
I too keep my addon list very limited. I use elvui because i like their unit frames, UI simplicity and perks like auto grey items sell, built in bagnon etc, next i use dbm but most of the time i don’t even follow their recommendations, since they divert from our tactics. Next i use weak auras for mana bar and major spell cds, which allow me to track cds and watch mana bar without looking at 10 different places (and allows me to minimize action bars) and skada which i only look at when we wipe due to boss dps gate not being overcome.
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