So after next update “premades” vs pugs in AVs is not allowed.
However WSG premades vs pugs is allowed?
Will you do something about it to?
I hope they won’t.
If you don’t want to be stomped by premades then get into one and do what ppl in premade do: take PvP seriously.
No cause premades ware on wsg from day 1. GET BENT
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They never said that.
Technically, they still haven’t acknowledged premades in AV to be a thing.
This is what it was like in vanilla and a couple of expansions after. Get used to it.
If you want it to be different, retail is always available to you. Don’t bring retail nonsense to classic.
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is taking pvp serious, scouting with 1 char to avoid other premades?
If you call that pvp i call that avoid pvp
Im just asking Blizz double stand
#nochanges
to
#somechanges
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top premades won’t dodge other premades, they will just win everysingle game fast regardless.
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That ship sailed with non-progressive difficulty and layers in the open world.
Doesn’t mean they should do even more changes just to make it more convenient for trashy solo casual players like yourself.
Besides, ANY limitation to premades, will make people try to circumvent it which retail has shown many times over. They should just allow full raids to queue for AV instead of the weak 5-man limitation.
It’s not hard to get around a “only premade vs. premade” segregated queue either, nor is it hard to get around a 5-man limitation like in retail for BGs like WSG or AB, when you’re playing in the smaller matchmaking pools. No thank you, censored.
The way you argue and what you argue for just screams laziness and self-entitlement, which is pathetic.
Things made too easy removes a big part of the social incentive, and the ability to premade is a social design. It’s meant to make the lazy players like you either find something else you like, or rise to the challenge and branch out socially to either start or join a premade yourself, or to quit the game.
I hope you choose the last option, because your mindset is identical to the tourists that has already left.
Yeah, any premade worth their salt should just accept any challenge instead of trying to dodge like cowards.
Or you know, like the ones doing premades in AV to only face pugs which is no proper challenge at all.
As much as i agree on almost all said by u … calling mature ppl with families and obligations " trashy , solo , casuals" as if u trying to insult them all for being casual and ofc SOLO since they cant devote enough time every single day to be part of a good premade that is made mostly by ppl with plenty of time on their hands ) is at the very least arrogant 
Now ofc the game should not be dumbed down to cater to everyone and especially not for the ppl that play the least, but please bruv with ur name tags!
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wtf are you talking about?
why are you even insulting me, do you know me or something?
Chill kid
The double standards were applied to classic already just want to know at what extent blizz is going to.
No, a person taking responsibility would accept the limits. It’s the self-entitlement endemic to the trashy solo casual players that’s despicable.
yeh make premade vs premade games, pug vs premade is like easy mode.
100% sure horde tears will come after wednesday horde pugs will get farmed over and over again at gy 10x
Are you talking about ranking MAFIA?
That is true yes. In games and in RL there are always ppl that feels entitled and that is annoying and in a way " loser mindset" in general for everything in life which is inevitable to not happening in a game.
Me as someone who love pvp ,but does not have the same time like in vanilla would love to see 40 premades officially allowed and also full 10/10 and 15/15 for AB, BUT they should exclusively meet one another. Restrictions would be " u cant queue for specific bg as a premade unless full number of players in the party 10 for wsg 40 for AV and 15 for Ab, resulting in no pug stomping bads that self called a good pvpers after getting their ranks Aka " high pug stomper" or " grand cave afker "
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Except this kind of limitation has never worked in WoW.
Ever.
I dont think they ever really tried.
Completely agree.
Dude chill. The guy made really good point and pointed out ongoing problem.
It’s happening not only in WSG but AV too. There’re scouts for premades and that’s just avoidance of other premades. That’s the reason Moba games doesn’t show pictures and stuff when you queue ranked games so you won’t be able to decline queue in order to avoid known good players.
They have. In burning crusade a patch came that made it harder to do the premade trickery like you’ve seen thus far in classic, but even that was ineffective in the end.
Later on, battlegroups were removed and region locks were (kind of) removed, and yet again you’d see the same tricks being used to bypass the 5-man limitation that was put into effect for every single bg.
It hasn’t changed since. It’s just that more and more of these premades grew tired of it due to a trivialization of the incentives to do it, so not as many are left.
It has never worked to arbitrarily limit premades into a segregated queue. Because there are always premades that will opt to get around the limitation.
*They do it to avoid Russian teams, which tend to be premades the same as them due to their small matchmaking pool.
Not all EU alliance premades use scouts though.
I’m all in for making “If 1 accepts queue, everyone does”
If you need to afk, you leave BG, that’s simple. And lets not cry about debuff, you need afk you won’t care about debuff as when you will be back it will be either gone or couple mins left.
It’s not only alliance btw…
Im thinking more like RBG style implementation for classic , that might separate the “gods” from the casuals in a sense and if im queue solo ill be matched with and against other solo queuers and separate queue parallel for grouped pvpers. I know its never happening in classic ,but its actually the only way to make premades face one another and measure their Dx. Everything else like it or not is just facerolling inferior groups of randoms and fake boosting ego. Why fake ? Cause you will know for yourself that all u have done is to win games where u might aswell play with your feet and still win as a well coordinated and formed grp.
If they make it for example : if u have even 1 less player in the grp for wsg u cant queue at all. Get 10 or disband and queue absolutely solo. No workaround bs that way
You seem to be speaking of WSG premades only now, sorry that was my misunderstanding.
As for WSG, well, the premades scouting will always fall behind the absolute best premades that will “always win fast” as Mando put it.
It’s also a social construct, which Blizzard has always been very careful of messing with. They’ve always tried to avoid the authoritarian approach.