It’s not Blizzards problem you cannot make friends.
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You can go in warsong as a 10man
I have many friends but i want to play with randoms on BG.
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And I know that hammers are heavy.
So if I want to let one fall on my foot, I am free to do so, but if afterwards I complain about the pain, people will rightfully tell me that I’m an idiot.
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1 bg both sides can premade.
1 bg only one side can premade.
If you truely don’t understand why this changes are comming.
I can only bless you poor bugger.
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On Warsong both factions can premade. It’s completely fair.
At least in AV I can see why hordes were annoyed about it.
If blizz caters to this and disallows premades in WSG I will never pvp again and will instead just pve, or even just quit.
One of the best parts of my wow experience is playing WSG with my buddies, sometimes we even just go as 3-4 people and lose to well organised premades, sometimes we completely stomp bad premades. But that’s the whole point, it feels like a proper battleground.
I don’t even mind premades being in wsg, because guess what, if i care about winning I JUST LOOK IN CHAT FOR A PREMADE.
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Your ranking and all that fancy shiet competes against your own faction alone.
Only thing you should whine about are the botters.
Once they are gone, you’ll rank in the most humane way - if you deserve it you’ll get it.
If you aren’t that top percentage, you don’t deserve it - nobody owes you the high rank gear.
Premade or not, you’ll fight with same rules as the rest of your faction, it’s not gonna get any easier.
I’m sure you want to premade against pugs on Horde too, but what’s the point? That’s what your competition does too, then. Again, it’s the same amount of effort and all you are asking for is more fodder.
The problem was never premades vs pugs, the problem is that, as horde u cant premade in AV and as aliance u can. If horde was allowed to premade in AVs it wont be a problem at all.
When system favors aliance the horde adapts. When system actually corrects thouse diferences you say horde is getting favored? Dude plz…=)
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Except we couldn’t. At all. If it failed for you, all that happened is you created 1-2 new AV’s with 10vs40 where the PUG allies got stomped.
Then you tried again with instant queue.
If Horde tried and it failed, you really wanna wait another 20min for the next queue?
No, you don’t.
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Would love 20min ques 
It’s not fair when you are Pugs and you face Premade.
People will say “Goto Premade”, but the essence of Vanilla spirit is not to face organized groups with the same composition over and over. Especially on WSG when you win nothing when you loose. Literally 0 honor, pure waste of time.
So I expect next week, people who do WSG will start to post on forums about how it’s unplayable and most of them will go back to AV. Then, 2 weeks later, Blizzard will apply a fix to queue premade vs premade and pugs vs pugs, separated.
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The design philosophy of vanilla was to provide a social adventure with a focus on the intrinsic reward loop instead of the industry standard these days which is to focus on the extrinsic reward loop.
So the “essence” of this particular example is to get you, as a solo player, to get frustrated by noticing how you lose more when you’re alone, to branch out socially in order to increase your chance to win. It’s meant to motivate you.
Besides:
Answer that first. How you would actually prevent the trickery. They don’t even admit it’s a thing, so do you really expect them to do as you ask and apply preventative measures against such trickery?
Get real. Go back to retail if you’re so self-entitled.
Put forth some effort if you want to succeed in classic. Either that or accept the limits of your own inability to invest time, and your asocial behavior.
It’s infinitely meaningless to turn classic into retail. It needs to stay as a contrast to retail in order to stand out as a product. The social repercussions of retail’s matchmaking garbage in classic bgs has already done enough harm.
A simpler way of putting it is that there’s no meaning in terms of player retention to bring retail’s convenience into classic. Classic is the social challenge with lots of things designed to eat up lots of time, while retail is the extremely convenient alternative where you can achieve a lot even with very little time to play. So classic appeals to a different player base than what retail appeals to, thus increasing profits.
Which is why you tourists looking for retail’s convenience are better off in retail.
Retail is a psuedo-single player aRPG. Mostly thanks to that convenience completely destroying the social design, and class designs with a focus on making any player regardless of skill feel empowered in the gameplay.
Why anyone would want to wsg without being in a premade is beyond me. More chance to win the lottery
Alliance AV premade is usually about 50% warriors.
These won’t find a spot in WSG premades and half of them will perform a pounce into a window.
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Hate to admit it but I agree with Beware on this one 
Everyone is able to make premades, even with randoms in chat(without using comms, which I’ve done before). Just having a group who are all focused on playing together and who play to win greatly improves your chance of winning itself.
If you are a pug and you’re facing premades and getting frustrated, you actually have a choice to be social and make connections in game to be able to play better. If you choose not to take that choice then it’s up to you to deal with the consequences. AV was a totally different beast.
If you want to make premade vs premade, they might as well just add in RBGs.
Enough with this pandering, the “essence of vanilla” was for it to be an MMO, to encourage social interaction to improve your game. I can’t believe how people are pushing so hard to make it into the super solo retail experience.
15+ years ago MMOs required grouping up to do everything pretty much, I would have cringed at thinking about even levelling solo on EQ (esp as a cleric lol). Holy hell I sound so old right now.
Can’t even tell whether you’re trolling or not.
Premade as horde in AV = 20-30 minute queue for a chance of getting the same BG.
Premade as alliance in AV = Instant queue and an easier chance of being in the same BG.
Both can on WSG, thus why would they disable premades XD.
he is still mad about that patch 
There is one or two actually wanting RBGs to be added to classic…
It’s just that the motivational thing would still be a huge issue. Why premades would go into rated if all they want is honor for ranking, so they’d either have to trivialize the ranking rewards to a point where it doesn’t make any difference anymore, or make some hugely greater rewards for the rating.
It’s just so meaningless to mix classic and retail.
Indeed, but it’s more for the convenience. Some gamers of today don’t like to be challenged in a way that can’t be solved through solo gameplay, so they end up whining like this.
Which is why tourists should just go back to retail or quit the game altogether. I just hope the Classic dev team won’t listen to those self-entitled complaints, which unfortunately is a real risk since they’re not the vanilla team that spearheaded the design choices for vanilla. They’ve got a few of the junior developers back during the vanilla days together with some of the retail devs that was ordered to “remaster” vanilla, and too many changes has happened already on a fundamental level tbh.
you keep sending me to Retail so honest question:
What is RBGs?
Don’t bother, they got removed ages ago due to incessant foul play amongst the high ranks.
We’re talking DoS’ing etc.