Mission two is “go to jail”.
I wouldn’t worry too much about him, another fascinating little tidbit is a good 60% of the posts are things I made up entirely and submitted which he took at face value and posted earnestly.
He’ll deny it obviously, but there you go.
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I know little of the internal workings and politics of these people. All I do know is how they’ve treated me and my friends, and who they associate with. If you’re openly and proudly associating with awful people, while also proclaiming that you’re very progressive and well-adjusted… Don’t you have somewhat of a duty to even your own guild members internally to challenge these views and not constantly expose people to toxicity?
Kinda like, what do you call someone who dines with a fascist (allegorically speaking).
If they simply moved away from the names, or at the very least acknowledged and owned up to the past’s mistakes, I think most of AD would have a MUCH better and more positively inclined view of the group as a whole.
If I could tell a member of the group formerly known as the PCU about mine and my friends’ troubles and not be met with “Okay but where’s your proof? Screenshots? Source bro?” and instead “Yea, some of our members did some awful things in the past, and we want to move beyond it and show we’ve improved and that we’re better now” I’d feel vastly more comfortable engaging in any sort of dialogue with them.
As it is now, I feel unsafe in any community where they engage and proliferate - Because I can tell their attitudes are the same and they really do not show any proof of having changed.
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Was funny (not) how several members would say disgusting things to me on these very forums, which I’d report so it’d get removed, and usually the person banned (lmao). Then when I’d bring it up to the people who witnessed it “Lol show us proof”.
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Ok, so the problem here is that over the years there have been a number of wild baseless accusations thrown around, so the idea that people are asking for proof is not outlandish.
People have blown things well out of proportion, was the community full of wholesome chunguses spreading peace and love? No.
Was it an alt-right hate pit of incels bent on controlling the server for nefarious reasons? Also, surprisingly, no.
Guild members absolutely. I wouldn’t’ve stood for that and I would’ve made my opinion known if I saw dudes dropping gamer words or 'phobe takes or any other nonsense that’s regretfully pervasive in online spaces.
The problem was, at least in my case, it’s members of another guild that your guild may interact with, once in a blue moon. Do I refuse to sit at the table with a fascist? Yes. Do I refuse to sit at a table with a friend who is friends with a fascist? Also yes. But do I refuse it once it’s diluted through two degrees of seperation, or three, or four, or more? That’s when it starts getting difficult for me personally.
That isn’t to say that you’re not correct in distrusting the group - it’s your call to make and I’m not trying to do this to sway you on that. I just think that there’s a bit of nuance that might get lost with a wider brush.
That is the case, but at the same time it goes at least a little way to not treat every critic as a bad actor. Not everyone saying “this is a bad thing” is trying to do some rediculous smear campaign. Sometimes it’s just wanting actually bad people gone.
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The Scarlet Crusade guild was doing funky “Anders Breivik so funny and good” posting not too long ago, publicly, under the guild name and all, paired with people like Stormbinder in the past I don’t think the association’s too strange, although I think the former got removed or left(?)
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Like most things the truth lies in the middle
Were there scumbags? Yes
Decent people? Yes
Was there stupid rumours made? Yes
Was there a lot of post-sweeping? Yes
At this point? Might just be best for folks to move on
In a thread about a public meetup no less. If that’s someone’s idea of “humour” then throw them in the bin.
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Sure, but as they say: “if I had a penny for every time…”
I’m not going to pretend everything was sunshine and rainbows, and people had disagreements in and out of the community; a community which mostly kept to itself.
But after the 100th ‘the pcu kicked my dog and set my nan on fire’ post you get numb to it.
Nothing makes me more satisfied than having Coalburnt add a little comment to every post I make here proving my exact assertion to be correct at its face.
I feel I have a responsibility to my friends and guildies to not expose them to the risk of getting harassed that playing with the group formerly known as the PCU is to me. Even at public events, once you see one of their guilds, they tend to bring friends. Sure, you’re fine with one guild, but then one of the less savoury ones show up, and so on.
I move on by not playing with people who haven’t changed. Thank you starting zone DK alt 
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The irony of the closing statement there seems to be lost on you.
This is partially why I’ve been so up my own backside about vulpera RP and the lack of real avenues for it. Personally I like the Dustpaw, I’ve nothing negative to say about them, but that association is going to be a dealbreaker for some.
So then they go to the next vulpera caravan guild which is [redacted] and is now thankfully banned from the Dalaran Discord and is hopefully falling apart at this point.
It’s just this really depressing crossroad for new players joining AD for the first time, or older players taking the time to unlock and level this character only to find that both paths have problems and there’s not really a third path. Maybe there is now, I’ve kind of stepped back from looking at the Horde side of things because it’s just not something I can work with, but
yeah. Tangent over LMAO
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Speedwagone & Obahar: sensible discussion about accountability and its nuances
Coalburnt: BUT
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Why is the second section just the Elder Maxon speech from Fallout 4 except it’s ordered off Wish?
Damn Synths.
I have nothing but deepest sympathy for that predicament. The cruelty of online spaces like Argent Dawn is that associations and connections are everything. People judge each other by the company they keep and the players they interact with. Moving from guild to guild, from circle to circle, opens and closes doors, many of which nobody can fully fathom due to the intricate web of these things.
If the group formerly known as the PCU didn’t choose to brand themselves under one banner, I would also struggle with the dissonance of connecting the entire group under that banner.
Bringing people into a community means something for that community, and keeping people around in a community despite controversy also means something. It means something for the Dustpaw, and it means something for [Other caravans]. The stakes and the exacts do vary in magnitude.
I’m all for taking the Live and Let Live approach - I feel that way toward many on AD. Many people do RP I don’t like, so I don’t play with them.
Unfortunately, the most vocal of the group formerly known as the PCU do not take the “Let Live” part to heart as much as I think they should, for everyone’s best. I prefer an AD where I don’t feel the need to pack up and leave when the PCU-O-Meter gets too high, but to ignore it feels irresponsible.
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The forums sure do that. Don’t think the server does, and I’m glad for it.
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I speak from my own experience in regards to this. I have experienced many times that the moment my guild tag changed, people who were downright hostile became super friendly and willing collaborators for stories. It is really how the beast is when it comes to community moderation.
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