XP freeze for twinks

Yes xplock started in wotlk but different brackets for xplocked players has started at the end of legion. I didnt play mop and wod, i dont know how it was there but at legion xplock players have been joining normal bgs and at the end of legion they bring xplock bgs.

I agree there is no harm in bringing xplock feature as long as they inject “their” brackets at the same time. But people like op just demand xplock to grief leveling people in normal brackets, they dont want to meet other twinks in xplock only bgs.

I know because i was there. When xplock bgs started i have waited for 1 month for a single twink vs twink match.
Go and test yourself.

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Ya just don’t get it…do ya Scott?

Gearing a twink has a ceiling and usually that ceiling isn’t hard to reach as most of the gear is from dungeons. This means that everyone can get the gear quite easily - max level PvP - not so much you’ll be competing against R10+ pre mades and people in raid gear. Not everyone has the time to raid and some don’t have the luck for the items they want to drop.

There’s also the dynamic that each bracket is different while your class might be strong in 20-29 BG’s it might not be king of the roost in 40-49 BG’s plus some people enjoy BG’s without mounts, without classes having certain skills (10-19, 20-29, 30-39) while other may prefer classes to have the majority of their spells (40-49/50-59) but not have to put up someone wearing BiS raid gear.

I really enjoy twinking. Bit off topic but at the start of shadowlands it was so much fun. I had a lv 19 in full end of legion zone epic rewards (iL 55) and BC gear with sockets and gems. I was practically one shooting every mob in the scale zones. It was so much fun until blizz nurfed all the gear and gems…boo … back to classic… id love to see this option but I can see why people don’t want it.

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You mean they will totally destroy any in that bracket who is not a twink, thus ruining many others PvP experience? That to me is griefing.

Twinks are good, they Iet me earn a Iot of money on twink items, enchants, scroIIs and ect. Dont touch them :wink:

Shut up and take my money. I need it. U can even create a separate bg, even a separate server, I don’t care, I just want to go through 1-60 having maximum power at each level and completing all possible quests on my level EVEN RED

Yes it seems unfair, twinks in normal bgs.
Then again, what someone said, whats the difference with fresh lvl60s, against geared lvl 60s? Its the same thing.

When i first got into a bg, a long long time ago, i died 13 times on the gy. Had no idea what was happening, but told my sis to never go there, bc it was awfull.
It took me a year to try again. By then i knew the game much better and enjoyed it a lot. I lvld 10 chars in bgs, with chanted looms. Every class i played was complained about as ‘being op’, but the point was that i made the effort of making sure they had decent gear. Ofc i also knew the bgs well, which classes to do what to, etc.
Now im not ‘best’ or anything, but im decent.

The point is that there is something to be said for both sides imo. The game never was ‘balanced’. Not in pve, not in pvp. It is ‘somewhat’ balanced and im sure, if everyone thinks about it, nobody wants the entire game balanced.

It would mean we are all instantly the same lvl. (scaling)
It means out gear scales.
It means we have to have same abilities. So rogues that heal and healers that do a ton of damage.
We would have to have the same speed internet connection. The same computer. The same add ons, or no add ons, the same macro’s. Be the same people even.
Etc
So it makes everything the same. Thats boring AF imo.

So i am ambivalent. I see merit to both sides and problems at both sides.

You are missing the point. Twinks at lower level brackets do it for griefing, knowing they wont be beaten. They run around killing everything they can fin with max enchants and top EQ. That is bullying. Others join to have fun, but get steam rolled over n over again.

Twinks hate fighting other twinks as they lose the advantage they have, no skill, just equipment… It is sad, and to me, pathetic.

Even started now at bracket 20 SOM. With maxed Alliance toons running around killing everything they can. Now I understand Alliance without twinks get steam rolled, so they need an advantage, but come one, why destroy others fun for trying to be a ‘big man’ online in a BG eh?

It is NOT the same thing.

At level 60 all people’s priority is gearing but at 19 it is not. And at 60 all people get gear eventually but at 19 people just pass by to 20. People want to enjoy bgs while leveling without maximizing their gear/enchants at every level. Twinking is all about abusing this reality.

There is no problem at twinking, but xplocking in normal bg queues is just griefing which demanded by losers.

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Ive played this game for 13 years, incluing 10 chars (of which 9 to max AND all getting raid geared). Did a full year of nothing but bgs each and every day. And so on.
I know what im talking about.

It IS the same thing. You just dont want to see it.
If you stop XP at lets say 19, then you get into the 15-19 bracket.
If you go end lvl, you get into 60 bracket, or 55 - 60 bracket, depending on which expansion.
Now there is or can be a ‘small’ lvl difference.
As for gear it makes no difference. The stopped chars will increasingly have better gear, while the new ones there may have abysmal gear.
So in that respect it makes no difference. It may seem more equal now, in SOM, as most people are fresh 60 and have blue gear at best.
But give it a month or so and there will be people in full purple and there will also be people that dont have blues (or not many) but are in greens mostly. Same difference, as they will be close to one shot, same as twinks do to lvl ing chars that come new into a bracket.

I do not like how ppl talk down about twinks. You do not know their motivation and a general 'twinks dont like to play eachother bc they are bad players and cowards and what all else have you " is an interpretation you alledge. Bc you cannot say you actually KNOW.
There is no reason for such. As ive come to know twinkers at low lvl (most were at 19 or 29) is that they like the lesser options of low levels; less spells, making it more ‘pure’ in some sense.
Ofc there will be those that continuously enjoy one shotting new players, but well, i dont see the fun in that really. But there will be those. Being ‘godlike’ on the battle field is fun though. And you didnt even need to twink for that, or not during the period did bgs though, which was during cata. I was accused of being a ‘twink’ but i never did bgs with stopped xp. Well i tried once, but it took 3 years to get into a bg, so i gave up. Because at that time stopped XP had its own bg and que. It didnt seem to be popular, so i dont understand the entire discussion really, as this was solved a decade ago.

I was accused of being a twink, simply bc 1) i had chanted looms and 2) i did it SO much i knew exactly what to do with each class. So yes, my sub rogue did use to one shot people. Or, that is what they think happened, but it didnt happen.
Fact is, i waited to see who was at 50/60& health and then shadowstepped and finished them in a second, max 2, vanished and ran away. So to them it seemed they were one shot. They werent. Similar tricks in how to play frost mage, lock, pala, hunter, even warrior.
I did that in Ashran, (another period i did nothing but bgs daily)

What people think is often not what actually happened as for bgs. And thats bc most are not experienced pvp/bg players.

Back to this discussion. Im still ambivalent. I can see the problem wrt levelling players, maybe in greens, against twinks. But i also see the very same problem at end content.
Point is that the game never was balanced, nor do we want it to be. (ill gladly discuss where that leads to, as we are already there in retail, for a big part, with scaling. I dont think people are enjoying it as much as they thought they would, do they?)

I do BG a lot though. If at any bracket you could one shot people, you were a twink. YOu think saying you played for x amount of years means anything ?

I played when the first BG was introduced, which was WSG.

Twinks are bullies, end of, you can argue as much as you want, they are griefers, bullies who will not play versus other twinks as they lose their ‘hard man complex’

Other difference is simple, before 60, majority of people are playing BGs for fun as they level up, Twinks stick at a bracket and like to “own” it. Where as, at 60 everyone is striving for the same thing when it comes to BGs, to gather the top gear. Twinks, with help from many friends get head, shoulder, leg enchants, blue EQ they couldnt get without that help, ie seen them with quest rewards they couldnt solo til 30+

This is griefing!

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Thanks for lessons. But… This is an old game. Millions of people played this game in and out for years and years. So dont think you are an expert.

Personally i started this game before hunter class born at closed beta (still a noob learning new things every day) and many years was an active member of xpoff twink community. We did many twink tournaments over years etc etc.

Believe me i do know the motivation behind twinking. And it is fun to play with limited skills, changing metas every brackets, playing without mounts, knowing your opponents, weeks of farming for +1 agility… Twinking is one of the essential parts of this game.

But in history of twinking Blizzard did many mistakes. Do you remember that neck enchant which 1-shot “normal” people :slight_smile: I was one of those griefers back in time, feeling the power was fun but i admit it was a mistake to allow twinks in normal brackets.

This is an mmorpg. Ofc there will be good and bad players. Geared and nongeared players… It is natural but you cant call xplocking as natural. It is not a natural mmorpg thingy it is a “feature” which should be injected with its own ruleset.

I never blame people for twinking. I blame people who want xplocking in normal brackets. Even Blizzard realized it was a big mistake and they injected their own brackets eventually.

Xplock is no harm as long as they bring xplock brackets. I do wish to see that again because i saw it before. 90% of twinks stopped playing after they met other twinks.

Xplocking in normal brackets is clearly a demand for griefing.

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I didnt say i was an expert and dont see what thats got to do with anything. Thats a verecundiam.
I do the same thing as you do; talk about my experience and how i see things, so pulease stay away from verecundiams, or reverse verecundiams.

I was initially reacting to someone saying it is the same thing at top lvl and that is so. I explained why, although i also said there is some difference.

I am not for twinks in common brackets and no where said i was. The problem was solved when twinks got their own bracket.

End of case.

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