I’ll be short, twink queues don’t start and this is frustrating. Why to split the bgs queues between xpoff and xpon chars? Twinking is also part of the game and it is what i personally would to do when i finished to farm raid gear on my main. It’s crazy to think that if i want to play a 29 lvl bracket i have to create a F2P account or wait the sub to expire… Please Blizzard do something about this, also i can’t do most of the feautures on a F2P account. And sorry for my bad english.
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They do not care about Twinks, in fact, they went out of their way to destroy Twinks.
They want you to play the game their way. Endgame only.
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That is absolutely crazy and sad to think, i mean, there is an npc to block my xp and doing this i can’t play the game. Hope in some changes about this problem, just make the queues together again 
I am honestly surprised they even cared enough to implement that. I absolutely love the person who made that decision and they should get a raise.
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they destroy twink with ilvl nerf. mOP twinking was the most balanced and fun
Twinking was one of the best experiences of my time in game, especially at 60 in WOTLK & 70 in Cata. They’ve ruined it with the ilvl squish though and their BG queue priority wrecked the twink community in Cataclysm.
BGs would pop in this order : WSG-AB-EOTS-AV (this would never pop).
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Face it, twinking was the most complained about thing in low level BG’s and more people cheered when the XP off crowd were separated off than cried about it.
The fact that those brackets are now dead speaks more to the lie about twinking not being about pwning under geared newbies than anything else.
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Just means there’s not enough of them in xp-off because they don’t want to face each other most of the time.
Because it’s too much of a difference between those that do, and those that don’t. Unkillable chars because they have some ‘broken’ gear for the level is boring for anyone else.
That’s to get into xp-on games, because of course people try to find ways to exploit to get into xp-on games with their xp still off.
You want matches? Do wargames against others in your community.
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Sums pretty well why twinking is detrimental to the game. If you want to have a Mexican standoff with other twinks be my guest, but if what most twinks want is to run circles around levelers with green gear then no, they can’t have that. And this is why most twinks don’t bother with the xp-off queue.
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Lol, you think that that doesn’t still happen? Those people CAN have it, and they ARE having it.
Try entering a 10-39 bgs and you’ll find people with semi-twinked characters absolutely stomping on random levelers.
It also only takes maybe a hour or two to make a “semi-twink” that can do that.
A while ago I wanted to see if I could make 2H Windfury work again on Enhancement Shaman because I missed the simpler times and out of pure curiosity just to see if it could still work somehow.
It only took me about 2-3 hours and what… 8k gold?.. to make a simple Enhancement Shaman twink like this.
(Excuse the music, it’s just what I was listening to at the time and OBS sort of corrupted the quality of it)
Now imagine if I had been playing an actual good class…?
My point here is that separating brackets did absolutely nothing to discourage those “people who make twinks to pwn under-geared newbies” from doing what they want to do, because if those people are truly solely out to do what you say they want to do, then they’ll find a way to do so.
Literally the only thing that separating brackets did was preventing legitimate players who love the game and who just enjoy locking their characters at a low level so that they can deck them out as much they can as a personal challenge such as the ‘project 60’ thing, or as some sort of Iron-man challenge like I do (I love to see how much content I could clear without leveling past the original level cap (classic, lv60, post-squish lv25)), Or people who just love playing old content at the actual level it was meant to be played, to participate in any type of content.
I can’t even queue for dungeons with a premade group anymore to help my friends level because of the “exp-reduction penalty” that they get from queuing with somebody who has their EXP locked.
So in conclusion:
Undergeared ‘newbies’ are still getting harassed by players on “throw-away twinks”.
and
Legitimate players who challenge themselves like I do, or ‘project-60’-type players are being punished for no reason because they aren’t allowed to participate in anything.
Do you see now how separating us from the leveling players changed nothing and only punishes us for no actual reason whatsoever?
There are tons of players who love playing on low level characters, THAT is what the exp-lock option is meant for. To allow those people to stay at the level that they want to stay. For People like me.
I can not possibly express how much I love the development team for having implemented the ability to lock our EXP in this manner. It has been a real godsent and is truly the greatest thing since sliced bread.
…however putting penalties on it like this… It helped nobody and it solved nothing.
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Yes, it did. It relegated them to either doing the ‘f2p’ shenanigans to get into the 20’s bracket, party syncs, or either weird methods most of which I would consider exploits.
? They can still do all the PvE content, just like P60 is about. Though, I dislike that entire playerbase for rolling on RP servers with no intention of RPing or respecting RP.
‘Hardcore’ etc is supposed to be ran with the same people in the same mode, so I don’t see a problem with that.
Not being able to ‘stomp’ people in BGs anymore without either leveling out in a lot of brackets or using other weird methods is not ‘punishing legitimate players’.
One of the reasons the penalty was made because of scaling dungeon and people using it to boost people with ‘twinked chars’.
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It regulated nothing.
No they cannot. All legacy raids now require lv30+ for some reason, while Classic is lv25 and Tbc 27.
So no, we can not do our own raids.
They do that because normal servers are sharded beyond belief and you never encounter anybody. Sharding is less on RP servers from what I’ve heard.
That’s not hardcore. That’s me helping out some friends, the same way as how mythic geared players can help out their undergeared max level friends by boosting them in dungeons and low level mythic+ keys.
That literally still happens. Are you just purposely ignoring the video I posted?
That penalty was made because Demon Hunter twinks with overscaled ilvl drops were clearing dungeons in 2 minutes back in Legion and BFA, and because they were selling powerleveling services.
Such a powerlevel is unheard of amongst regular twinks. My presence in dungeons could speed it up by perhaps 20%, that is NOTHING compared to those Demon Hunter Twinks who could literally one-shot groups of elite mobs.
That aside, such a thing doesn’t even exist anymore at high level twinks either, not since Shadowlands, therefore rendering this entire penalty pointless.
Fun fact, it is now easier to make a throwaway twink and stomp levellers than it ever was to make an actual twink. Best thing is there’s no actual twinks to stop the throwaways from demolishing people.
The twink complaints were always the alt levellers crying that twinks stopped them from pwning newbies anyway.
Sure did, even look at OP.
You’re aware of this thing called Classic Era and Classic TBC yes?
Normal servers are sharded, yes. They should and still could ask Blizzard to not shard old areas on some servers for their events.
RP servers are not sharded in old areas so people can do RP events.
There’s specific rulesets for many of the modes you listed, ‘hardcore’ being you can’t group with anyone that’s not hardcore.
Then get some mythic gear and do that, I guess?
Are you purposefully ignoring the words I am posting?
Not just DHs, but as I already stated. Boosting on twinked chars, yes.
Not really, if there wasn’t an xp-penalty I imagine level 10 twinks would be doing that. Like the monk ones especially I’ve seen soloing dungeons.
^^ This pretty much
Although there are plenty of complaints of people scaling down with party sync and causing havoc. Not sure if this is still an issue now.
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Oh yes, totaly makes sense to put together twinks and new leveling chars in greens. That 1 twink can kill whole team of greens. That alone could put off many people from playing pvp in the future. Lets have normal games, where greens fight greens, and twinks figgt twinks.
Ofc from time to time braindamaged free-to-play twink comes into xp on to have 80-0 result, but no one looks seriously at him, he just usually ruins the game for both sides (one side is completely stomped and just stops ressing, while other side just afk at enemy GY - basically 0 pvp hapening).
So no, not gonna happen.
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So if it’s so easy and simple and cheap to make throw-away twinks - why do you so heavily advocate for true twinks being introduced into xp-on brackets?
Even the most stubborn twinker must agree - 1shoting people with 1 fireblast or 1 cobra shot, or SP/Afl dot ticking for 20-30% of target HP is absolutely not healthy for the game, and is only fun for 1 out of 19 people in the BG. If you have 19greenies and 1 twink - game is ruined for both sides, the only person that is “having fun” is that twink 1shoting enemy team. Flags are not competetive, bases are worthless, etc, you just observe 1 twink deleting everyone else on the GY. And that is bad and not healthy for the game in any way. And that point you might just let people with level60 join level10 BG.
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I have never been able to recreate the fun and atmosphere I had doing that. lvl 19 group. pre 2008. Epicness at it’s finest. We never stomped anyone consistently. Alliance used to have better twinks if ya ask me. But we did give them a good run and made them panic lots to.
Isa there no twinking like that in classic? If not then that sucks spheres.
aww u can’t 1 hit people with normal gear without having to cheese it, trust me 20-29 is still full of twinks, 1 hitting u with dumb trinkets and unbalanced enchants and sockets, twinks used to be killable at least back in the day, they op as hell but could die, now a druid or pally twink, can’t die, weeehhhh WEHHH
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`I remember shamans being unkillable back then .