Yeah there are still twinks on Classic, tbc-c not as much surprisingly. I tried 39 Twinking on Nostalrius (a year or 2 before classic relaunch) and it was great as well. Both factions had full on Twink teams brawling it out with the best pre-mount gear. Pendulum of Doom was only 300g.
I played a 10-19 BG on Dreadnaught yesterday and 4 or 5 out of 20 were Twinks.
I don’t personally advocate for anything as I honestly doubt I’ll ever return to retail. But what makes you think I support throw-away twinks?
Here’s the problem. Some twinks enjoyed fighting other twinks, some enjoyed bullying undergeared alt levellers and newbies. The ones that liked fighting twinks got screwed over, the ones that liked griefing now have free reign.
That isn’t a problem unique to twinking. Also, OG twinking was mostly stacking stamina and dodge; becoming incredibly difficult to kill.
The funny thing is that since BfA’s level scaling, BoE greens are actually BiS. They’re better than loomies and they’re better than dungeon blues and quest rewards. Even the green BoE relics for artifacts are better than blues and even epics.
Welcome to the world of throwaway twinks. He can spend a few thousand gold, jump into battlegrounds and delete people without any competition. Then delete his toon and remake it when it levels up.
No competition for him because you got rid of the twinks.
Again, the people that used twinking as a way of spoiling the fun of other players are still perfectly capible of doing that, and can even do it more effectively. But the people that enjoyed twinking and fighting other overtuned characters are left to rot. Well, not completely: a lot of them moved over to Classic.
Even if they can do so - it doesn’t feel right to destroy all low level BGs. Instead of encountering few here and there - BGs would be swarmed with them.
Oh good times when we had holy paladins with 100:0 results, 1shotting people with judgment/holy shock 
The only thing putting me off is I have no main to pay for it all. I remember have not enough gold for much else. It’s good to know that players somewhere are enjoying that way of playing the game.
70 twink PVP felt more balanced than 90 PVP in MoP and queues popped about as fast. It was beautiful
What does that have to do with changing the level requirements to enter the own raids on retail?
Quite the redefinition of the word but alright.
Regardless of that however these limitations literally kill the entire game mode. So much for “player freedom”.
Why? That makes no sense?
Yes because the video that I provided literally proves that twinks in bgs still exist. Anybody claiming that “separating xpoff and xpon removed twinks and fixed the issue” is completely delusional.
There’s nothing wrong with boosting in general.
There’s something wrong with the kind of boosting as it was done in legion and bfa because it directly affected the game itself.
Somebody running a dungeon with a twink who has 50% more damage than a regular player, thus speeding up the run by 5 minutes or something is NOWHERE NEAR the same thing as a demon hunter soloing entire dungeons within 2 minutes.
lv10 scaling has been normalized long, long ago.
You also can’t boost dungeons on a lv10 since you don’t have access to anything. Random dungeon opens at 15.
This is 100% going to happen with or without Twinks.
You. Can. Not. Stop. This.
It’s an MMORPG and so long as gear is a thing in PvP you will NEVER eradicate this problem.
Anybody who decides to level through pvp is going to find advantages and the main advantage is gear.
Twinks or no twinks - “newbies” are ALWAYS going to get the short end of the stick in PvP.
The only thing that resulted from removing true twinks from PvP is that now griefers have free reign.
There is only one type of player that is being punished here and that is the type of player who twinks not to gank ‘newbies’, but as a “completionist” challenge for themselves, an Iron Man challenge, ‘project-60s’, and so forth.
The only thing that would happen if you returned true twinks to the normal PvP bracket is that there’d be more twinks on each faction who would counter griefers and increase PvP queue times.
Yes, levelers and newbies would have a difficult time in PvP but guess what?
They already do. That never changed. It will never change. Ever.
Even if you removed all gear from PvP they would still get outplayed just from a difference in skill level.
^^^^^^^^^^^^ Literally this ^^^^^^^^^^^^
It doesn’t help that most of these people are on the same faction. There is no “twink vs twink”, It’s literally one faction steamrolling the other continuously, without end.
It’s already swarmed with them. The “f2p community” is rather large. You can’t enter a single 20-29 bg without encountering twinks.
That’s a class balancing / scaling issue, not at all a twink issue.
Twinks don’t want to play against twinks. Quite simple.
Just like boost spam.
Why don’t Blizzard let you ruin other people’s fun. How dare they.
Get better at proper PvP.
I’m a twink and I do.
And I know a forum of at least 80 others who do, so you’re wrong there.
They do let us. Just make a throw-away twink, they’re fine with that it seems.
Then there’s no queue problems… oh wait.
Doesn’t make it right.
I thought twinks died when they added templates and scaling to PvP.
As far as i know the gear does not matter in PvP any more.
No, 100:0 BGs are twinks issue. This was happening way before scaling was in place, when xp-on and xp-off had the same queue. Seing people with 60-90 kills was very common. These current pseudo-twinks doesn’t even come close to power levels normal twinks used to have. Please don’t spread misinformation.
And today I did several low BGs, out of 4 only 1 had this pseudotwink, and it was only like x2 stronger than regular characters, not x10 stronger like true twinks are. Yes he ended BG with 27kills, but that is not as gamebreaking as 80+ kills.
I just don’t get it why people want to 1shot others in BGs, just go in open world level10 zones and show off how good you are, leave newbies alone in starter BGs.
As I said - 1 pseudotwink every 3-4 games is not as bad as 10+ twinks in every game.
yeah cause i like that some idiot running around 1 shoting me without chance to do anything while leveling on bg
1k people is too small a player pool to even pop bgs with. The system doesn’t put the players together and queue times are 5+ hours.
Doesn’t have to be right. It is what it is and you’ll just have to deal with the fact that ‘newbies’ are always going to get stomped in bgs regardless of how much you try to protect them.
You can’t design a game around that without it being detrimental to a part of it.
That’s like… two expansions ago bro.
Bro, I do that NOW… on a semi-twink that I spend 2 hours making.
You can’t stop it.
Watch the video that I posted above. I’m literally one-shotting people on a meme class/spec.
If I played a proper build I’d get 50 kills every bg casually.
I literally posted video evidence.
‘100:0’ or ‘80;0’ is a number you literally pulled out of your *ss.
Even with twinks that barely happened.
I call bull on 1 ‘pseudo twink’. If you looked at the 20-29 bracket, they’re flooded with them.
People do that even now so idk what you’re on about. You don’t need to be a twink to one-shot people. Only to play the right class and have some gear.
You mean they changed it?
Thought that was a permanent thing so that top of the braceketts would not nuke the bottom of the brackett 30 vs 39 for example
Just FYI the twink pop had plenty of glads and multiglad. Don’t assume twinks are terrible at pvp and can’t do arena HL.
The harsh truth is: a lvl 60 259 ilvl something is more powerful in random BG than a 20 FTP twink will ever be. Lvl 60 with 30-40 ilvl diff means getting blowned in just a couple of globals by meta specs.
It used to be like that for twinking but not anymore.
Bull. A f2p twink with 300 alchemy, northrend engineering and full TBC gear with sockets will delete you in a couple of globals. I’ve been 2 shot way too many times by twink surv hunters etc. Don’t come here and downplay the massive damage difference as twink defenders like to do, not only do they differ alot between primary stat, the massive difference in versatility comes on top of that.
Reading your comments, I have some doubts about you actually seing twinks with 200%haste, 100%crit etc. (Mastery was not a thing up until max levels back then). Maybe you did, I mightbe wrong.
I don’t know if I can still find some screenshots from 10-15y ago of these twinks reaching 100kills in atari basin, but when I am home I will try (though I already had few hard drive changes and wow reinstalls, so chanses are slim). That was complete nonsense and aids. That is not the way you want to advertise the game for newbies. It’s like in 10y old youth boxing competition allow 30y olds to compete.
I miss twinking cata and mop was just so much fun and had a great community aswel behind them.
I know it’s still a thing but it’s far more niche and expensive as everyone wants haste ver with gem sockets
Same as lvl 60 then? Fine I guess?
You always have outliners like huntard at 20 or wartard at 60. But still. I remember a time where you could shadowstep ambush one shot other twinks…
At 24% versa on my ret at 60 I literally got one shot (45k damage, 1 hit, arms night fae skill). And that is now live.
Well, that depends entirely on the time frame. Before exp was added to Battlegrounds, twink damage wasn’t that much higher than a normal player (a player using full stat gear, not a rando lvl12 in grays and whites). The difference was 700-800 health vs 1.5k - 1.9k health. This varies slightly on class. Rogue’s did more damage with backstab/ambush, but every other class built for higher survivability / sustain. In WoTLK when gylphs were added, hunters were literally unkillable by melee. I’m using the world “literally” correctly here.
Twinks were at their strongest in BFA, when templates were removed and item scaling became a thing. Blizzard didn’t correctly scale some things, so lvl10s could grab the frag grenade from Northrend engineering, which did around 500-700 damage.
Low level items like Ramstein’s Lightning Bolt would hit for 1.7k AoE at lvl59, which could also crit. Sulthraze the Lasher had a on-hit (with a very high proc rate) for 950 damage followed by a 950 dot.
The average lvl59 had around 4.5k - 5k health. My warrior had 5.9k health and could wipe everybody within melee range with just a sweeping strikes and a Ramstein’s use.
The last time I played a throwaway twink was just before Shadowlands when level scaling was changed yet again. Once again, Blizzard messed up when they changed the old world, and some items were scaled far above what they should have been; my hunter joined a battleground and one shot people. I mean literally one shot. Aimed shot and they were gone.
No other twinks to stop me, everybody dropped faster than quest mobs. Incidently, I played the same character after those items were nerfed: it made no difference, I still one shot people.
Ever since Casterclysm, damage in low level battlegrounds has been WAY to high; whether twinked or not.