I agree with OP. DH is one of the most played and beloved classes in wow.
Maybe the rest of you hate us, but I actually agree that we could do with more skill based spec. I’d be happy for some changes to Havoc too, as the dual wield is awesome, and I imagine a new spec would be 2 handed or something. Would be cool to have a scythe like Allari The Soul Eater though.
I made a post about it here.
Illidari will rise again!!!
Make dh needs skill again i mean make cause again it was never skillful
Class for a newbies shouldn’t be TOP-tier monster in every aspect of the game.
++ and aoe one shots ? no ty.
DH is extremely weak after the UBC change. Mediocre but predictable damage, over-nerfed survivability that suffers even more from the low damage since Demonic is still the only way to play. Dont think we will see any DHs at all anymore be it 2s, 3s or PvE apart from one that buffs your raid with the 5% magic debuff.
While this is a legit issue, I dont see how DH is any easier than current iterations of Sub, MM, Frostmage, Assa Rogue, Ret Paladin, Balance Druid, Shadow Priest, Arms Warrior, all that stomp currently in PvP.
Is spamming Frostbolt into occassional Ice Lances more skillful and so much harder to play? Or Sub Rogues needing little else than Shadow Strike into Eviscerate spam while DR’ing Cheap Shots? Or Arms now being the new Overlords DH were in 2v2 but in all kind of PvP scenarios?
Care to tell how DH is still viable? If it would be, why did everyone abandon ship after last season? According to Skillcapped, DH was 3 weeks ago B-Tier. After UBC (which was our main source of any damage and the only way to win in competetive) got nerfed, I’d really like to see where they are now. Truth is, there is nothing really left in DH but the utility that they have. They need a complete talent redesign to work again but that wont happen till the very least in 10.0 with Shadowlands out in 4 days.
There is no “planning ahead”. There is no “the class requires more thought now”. Its the same class as two months ago but vastly inferior and nothing given in return to help with that. Mortal Strike forced on your movement ability that you always use to kite away instead of pressure does not help with weak damage and survivability, neither does a Dispell on Immolation Aura that against half the teams either oneshots you or fears yourself.
You now play DH, if you even force yourself to play one, the same way Survival works. Except that you do not have any ranged damage like in Legion, since you cannot go toe-to-toe with other melees anymore even with Metamorphosis up.
Theres a fine line between balancing a class out and flushing it down the toilet. Blizzard did the latter.
Just a shame this Community is as usual in 90% of the areas so immature and childish about it. But hey, atleast both Rogue and Mage have ALL of their specs viable now in PvP, and that is completly fine. Enjoy Sub and Frost stomping left and right with their 2 button spam. 
Im not saying its anywhere near top tier, but as most top players would say, It Can still work in certain comps, in 2s it’ll prolly struggle quite abit, but i Can still see comps like warr/dh and Maybe WW/DH preform decently on the ladder. Grantes i’ve not Been bothered with much beta testing, It still felt fine in prepatch atleast. Just because a spec itself isnt top tier, doesnt mean you Can preform decently on the ladder 
i mean People Even had the balls to play specs like enhance and demo last season with decent sucsess, Even if those were among the weakest specs
No, thanks…
oh no no no, dh is dead reroll
Go progress positive stats first before flameing.
It doesnt matter if dh is s tier u couldnt get 2.2 2.4 cause ur simple to 
for the easiest class/specc in the game.
Even if u would be 3k ppl wont take u srs but thank god u will never get past 2.1
watch this
If you think that spamming Frostbolt is all that goes on with a Mage you really don’t know how Mage works as a class in arena (not a spec).
No offense Gorewolf but if you think those mentioned specs are as easy to play as a DH I think we’re playing different games. While some of them are easy yes you can’t compare them to a DH, you have basically 3 jobs as a DH… PvE rotation, mana burn and stop CC. Even at lower ratings you can do a bad job with some of this stuff and still climb comfortably because DH’s dmg was so overwhelming and so easy for any user skilled or complete noob to get off it didn’t matter if you didn’t burn or stop cc at sub 2400 because your dmg would carry you. Goriona is a great example of an awful player carried by DH dmg in BFA, me and Karanze had to explain it him you could use your stuns to peel for your healer if he’s dying and he argued you must only stun for burns, I don’t want DH to be dead I just want it inline with some other classes that punish people for playing them badly so people like Goriona don’t get 2k cr in 2v2 with a 47% win rate even WITH! gushing wound and the ease of DH covering for his lack of skill and game knowledge… he even had to use a weak aura to tell him when to burn because he couldn’t time it himself.
People like Goriona are honestly one of the bigger reasons DH players get alot of hate, they get carried by class & corruption to 2k in a bracket then act like they have authority to call other people trash and a noob. Shame, but hopefully they will rework DH into a more skill based class overall and people will be rewarded for playing it well and punished for playing it badly.
Everyone has to watch out for positioning. Everyone has to do more than do their PvE rotation. What else were you doing as a mage exactly all through season 4 than cycle Gpyro and Polymorph while Shimmering around Pillars? Do tell me cause thats all I’ve seen, honestly. What is Frost doing then now? Fakecasting, looking out for (peeling) polymorphs, spellstealing and… Frost Bolt when they can?
And I have to ask you back the same: Are we playing the same Game? Apart from Gushing, which made every melee and most casters broken, this wasnt the case at all when I went for 2400 during Battle for Dazaralor. I won most of my Games in Season 2 on my DH thanks due to Rifting the healer to oomness before the enemy dps could mortal strike mine down. I cannot speak for season 1 and 3 considering I did not play much in them due to busy reallife so feel free to tell me if I am wrong here but I dont think DH damage spiked suddenly there that it was much different in 2s atleast.
It is pretty obvious that players like Goriona will get nowhere anywhere in PvP, no matter which spec they are playing because the issue lies within the player in that situation. But nerfing DH to nearly enhance and demo levels of viability is just absolutely horrendous, no matter how easy or hard to play a spec may be. Every spec should be decent and viable, irrelevant if it uses 1 or 10 buttons.
Skillcapped themself said in one of their latest videos after the UBC changes that they question the viability of DH in high end arena. Considering the population of the class in 3s when they were in their S4 state was mediocre iirc, this was just the finishing blow for 2v2 aswell, where you are just a rogues, mages, spriests and arms toy after the heavy nerfs.
Afaik all top tier DHs use that weakaura aswell…? A weak argument. What is next? That people use CD trackers because they cant keep track of major Cooldow-… oh… wait…
Honestly, what do people even care if a player like Goriona here as an example gets a low rating of 2000 (!) in the most uninteresting bracket anyway?
I lost interest in what you were saying the moment you said “Gpyro and Poly”, if you want to believe a Mage can just Shimmer around after a healer whenever they want there’s really nothing I can say to your lack of understanding on caster gameplay let alone Mage gameplay.
Due to mana rift and DH dmg being insane… yeah, ofc you’d out mana them.
Don’t think they do, the ones I’ve seen don’t atleast.
I tried to give you a constructive argument… but you’ve gotten so triggered by the idea DH requires little skill compared to alot of other class (In BFA) its pointless to continue with you Gorehound. It comes down to this… people would rather DH be dead than the obnoxious clown proof spec it was in BFA, people want it to be more skill based than button bash based.
Enjoy.
You lost interest in argumenting because you have no valid arguments. 
Feel free to link me high rated Fire Mage Arena gameplay, or now Frost to prove me wrong.
Its not like Stoopz even recommends to use it but okay.
With all due respect buddy. You RMP players keep thinking you are skillful while you did little else than Combust and Gpyro and now Frostbolt and Icelance or Glacial as DPS rotation. Aka all the hatred DH gets for its simplistic PvE Rotation your class… had never any better for 15 years straight? Amazing.
Wait. Actually. I am so sorry. MoP you guys had to use your frozen brain to do some plays with Alter Time resetting things like Hot Streak if I still have that right in my head. Glorious.
Ill just tell you what I tell other people who spout the same crap.
Level a Mage and try doing what you describe, I look forward to hearing how it goes.
FYI Stoopz is not a top tier DH player.
Buddy. Can you tell me WHAT you do as a Mage in Arena? Please, tell me.
No thank you, its not worth the effort. Go watch Raiku or Maro play and ask them.
I actually found this on the fly.
What a genuine surprise. He did little else than Gpyro and Polymorph, and he is a higher ranked Mage than you and also played at the same rating you did on your highest cr in that Video.
Greater Pyro is a skill less ability I’ve never disputed this. Also as I said… you don’t really use Greater Pyro unless you play a caster cleave, which he plays in that video. MLX was also mong proof in BFA, you’ll notice alot of Mages that got 2400 as MLX spamming Greater Pyro are getting destroyed now because they can’t play like bots.
There’s a big difference between a good Mage and a bad one, unfortunately MLX and BFA allowed bad Mages to climb quite easily.