well, due to it’s limitations, I’d consider pugging the last option, where all the others are unavailable for any reason.
The 3rd case can be very unfair. E.g. I’m not a low ilevel that tries to get a boost: I have 9/10hc that I raid-lead myself with preparing strategies and all and I’m almost at 240 ilevel and I even tell them that I’ve reached ~52% p3 ALIVE (the truth).
I know all that about guilds but I don’t have the schedule to commit to a “stable job” in a guild right now and I find it dirty to beg for an alt run boost etc.
So we have reached end of 8.3 raid toxicity already?
Colour me surprised.
Roll tank and f k them
I find it easier just to make my own group, it works well in M+ (mostly) its never failed me in raid and in pvp its reliably been a great way of capping.
I was a tank in the end of BfA. I know it’s extremely easy to get spots but it got boring. And it’s a total pain in the butt in terms of routing strategy on complex affixes of 5mans like the last season of BfA because nobody is helping you and you must know in advance all the convoluted kill-order tricks like you have to study for an exam.
Yeah that’s the only fair solution as I described in a reply (assuming you find it dirty to be carried which I do). The only issue is that it’s still a pain in the butt during Sylvanas. You waste AT LEAST half a day to reach her and then a lot of 10/10hc people aren’t going to join you because they are elitist enough to want “at least a 4/10mythic leader” so you’ll still have to hope you’re not getting failers.
Not understanding how requiring 10/10 is toxic. Forget the part where people can be boosted by gold (as if they can’t be boosted without paying gold to begin with lol). Now also add that there’s no other way to check legitimate kills or even warcraftlogs, outside of achievement. Now also disregard any roles that are required, just for sake of argument:
Let’s say 30 people who sign up, all of which are 237 ilvl, so slightly below fully HC geared. 10 of them are 10/10, 10 of them are 9/10 and 10 are below that.
Who do you pick lmao?
I didn’t say it’s toxic necessarily: I said it’s a stupid conundrum. I even asked a pug leader today and he told me he’d take me but others in the group would quit because they’d accuse him he didn’t get “ONLY CURVE!1!1!!!111” as he promissed.
It’s about human nature; people are selfish; they want it easy.
Someone mentioned toxic, I quoted him this time but it didn’t appear so gave up. Anyhow I completely understand your pov. Its just not fun to pug things. And that RL like you said is part of problem but also right unfortunately.
But people won’t change. This or that, people will always find a way to exploit these things. If not warcraftlogs then raiderio. If not rio then achievements. If not achievements then gearscore. If not gearscore then armory. If no armory, then they will legit ask for your attack/spell power lmao.
It is what it is, you have to unfortunately too become selfish and what I mean with that is the thing others already suggested and its overused as argument but that is because its quite the only easier path than pugging: guilds or organized raiding outside of guild.
You get the 10/10 during the first few weeks or months then when the raid is on “Farm” for you, then you just invite other 10/10’s for smooth runs.
It’s the whole “You snooze you lose”
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yeah but plenty of guilds are still progressing HC, it’s still relatively new.
The thread topic was
“and if you start a group yourself at 9/10 they don’t join because you’re not 10/10. What conundrum!”
So i just assumed we were talking PuG and not guilds
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Guilds say ‘hi’.
This is only a problem for puggers. And as we all know, all puggers are casuals. And as casual you shouldn’t invite them. It’s a really weird conundrum the pug community is in xD
But just because you’re an okay guy, doesn’t mean the rest are.
Yesterday I was on a PUG SoD HC where the raid leader had 203 ilvl, who was demanding ilvl 230 in order to join…he was a dps doing less than 2k.
The problem is a simple one, PUG’s were never meant to be how you do progression content, that’s what’s guilds are for.
You don’t want the “stable job” of being in a guild, that’s fine, there’s plenty of more casual-like guild full of people like you, some who might only be able to raid one every week for a 2hours, or who might be raiding and need to stop because their baby is crying or something like that…my guild works like that, we get content done when we get it done, no rush. Guilds are the social glue that keeps this game alive…you login in to chat with people and do fun activities; as a singleplayer game, I really don’t recommend WoW to anyone.
You say that, while a plenty of puggers have achieved more than you ever will in the game lol
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The same way I’m eating KFC…
They still sit for 30 minutes in the dungeon finder, doing nothing. Meanwhile, I log in 10 minutes before raid, make my way to SoD, do some raiding, call it a night and don’t play until the next raid if I have enough gold. There’s no time wasted.
To me someone who spends their entire evening in the damned dungeon finder is a loser lmao. If it takes more than 5 minutes to form a group I am out.
Then you are the casual raid-logger here, not puggers. You’ve just admitted it yourself. 
What are you talking about? I play efficiently. Sitting for 30-40 minutes in the dungeon finder, getting rejected like a 4/10 man on tinder is not “hardcore”. It is idiotic. They’re casuals who are not willing to commit to an organized group. That’s what makes them casuals.
ive joined with 1/10 buying curve and linking it so shrug