''You think you do, but you don't'' - serious topic

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This sentence used to be laughable for many of us, but right now I see through it.

Imagine having same perspective as dev that said this sentence. He saw through all WoW changes, from bigger picture than any of us. They had numbers, statistics, knowledge that none of us had and doesn’t have still.

He saw how WoW changed from Vanilla to modern retail, saw everything, understood many things. Then he simply said this sentence and many laughed it off.

Today - we all see what vanilla has become over the course of 5 years. It is no longer in spirit of vanilla, and community killed this spirit. You all thought what we wanted, but we no longer want it.

It’s a shame what became of this version, and this community is to blame. With all due respect, I think you are all better off playing Wotlk or post Wotlk expansions, you no longer serve true WoW to be played again.

I am sorry if I angered some of you, but this is true. In reality you can choose how to play a game, but if game is to be played in specific way, and you do opposite, you are the problem and not devs for designing SoD or any upcoming iteration of classic+ (vanilla).

I understood questie, but I don’t understand auto-accept/loot addons, I hope you understand what I wanted to say in this sentence.

In the end ‘‘you think you do, but you don’t’’ is as true as it can get, and dev predicted it years ago and probably is laughing at you right now. It’s amazing what experience can do, and he did it very politely.

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Honestly wild how you posted this back to back with your other post where you’re begging for a TBC boost. Did you forget to switch character or something?

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Hi,

I completely disagree. The game is awesome and i play it from 2019 to this day.

If it wasn’t classic, i wouldn’t be around anymore.

Regarding the infamous “you think you do, but you don’t”, he was wrong and he is still wrong.

Have a fantastic day!

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Hmmm. All I read was “mimimi”.

Noone is forced to play anniversary or SoD.

Fixed it for you:
You might be better off playing Era.

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Classic is awesome game even in solo mode. Even if community is not what I expected, it’s very valuable that I can experience it, even in this state. So, no, I do.

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From the google AI: " The Blizzard representative who famously said “You think you do, but you don’t” was J. Allen Brack, during the BlizzCon 2019 keynote address, while discussing the return of vanilla World of Warcraft servers. He used the phrase to express his view that the desire for the old game wasn’t as strong or as accurate as players thought it was."

Quite rude and condescending don’t you think?

You can look up on wikipedia who J. Allen Brack is and why he left Blizzard.

And i hope you looked him up when i’m asking you, do you really want to defend that guy?

I’m not even gonna quote him.

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It was a broad statement and it was correct as a generalisation. The vast majority of wow players are on retail, classic has declined massively since the 2016-2019 fad.

The game is not adapted for modern day gaming culture. The people will not adapt to play the game like it was in 2004, the game must adapt to the people, or the people will shape it into the abomination it is now.

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My only reply: I STILL WANT IT. I’d like nothing more than a true NoChanges Vanilla server. Now I play almost exclusively Era HC, as this is as close to the Vanilla feel you can get.

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Hi,

I agree, but don’t you think that retail exists, because of the modern gaming? If you have wow for modern gaming, why would you want to change the original classic game the same way?

There is a fan base for both games. Retail players won’t come to classic (most of them) and there are fair share of classic gamers that will not go to retail. Why do you want to mix them?

I play classic, because it doesn’t have the retail modern features. I don’t like them. They are not my game. On the other hand my retail friends think that classic is dumb. You see?

Changing classic is not good idea. If you don’t like it - don’t play it. Exactly like we do with retail.

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Modern day wow was on a massive decline before & after legion, until they adapted. Modern and original wow are very different games, but classic faces many issues modern wow has already dealt with. I do think classic needs unique solutions to not go down the same path as retail. For example classic lacks difficult content, dungeon finder/raid finder and obviously needs to get rid of the pvp version of raid finder. This is because classic is inherently a more social game and the world itself is much more important (It’s a clusterf on retail due to all the expansions and completely pointless zones).

Classic also needs to get rid of some of the retail solutions, like layering, it inherently breaks the way the game works. However some changes needed for classic, which occur in tbc to some degree (pretty much TBC’s only saving graces), are needed in classic. There is nothing that makes specs utterly useless to be a classic feature. For example running more than 1 rogue, warlock, druid, or hunter is to grief 36 other players. Warriors grief themselves by inviting rogues to dungeons as they will just need their gear. Part of these issues are also from the fact there is no difficulty in classic/tbc/wotlk content, so you are left to basically speedrun or parse to feel any accomplishment.

As you say classic doesn’t have retail features, but that is just not true, classic wow only has the retail pvp system of the anti-social & raid-finder like system. This anniversary launch has very much shown people are getting tired of what blizzard has been doing with classic. Premade/Rbgs would have been more in spirit with classic than these x-realm, preformed bgs, especially now with the AV meta.

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The statement “you think you do but you don’t” couldn’t have been more wrong. The game got massive response on the Classic servers. Many accounts were there only for the Classic experience, exta subscriptions they couldn’t have had by sticking with retail.

It was an almost 0 effort cash grab and an immense succes. I am still here with my account, still playing Classic only and heading into Pandarian era soon. I am far from alone in being a “Classic only” player, most of my guild are so, like 95%.

TLDR: He could not have been more wrong.

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Expansions aren’t classic though. Mop & Legion were the most beloved expansions, it’s no wonder there is still a decent player base, the 2019 classic that progressed onto the expansions still have change, albeit predictable, but it does give novelty.

Classic itself has died considerably since the 2016-2019 golden age. Spineshatter is just a husk. You must also keep in mind that retail players are far more valuable to blizzard as there are much more microtransactions there (At least directly to blizzard instead of gold farmers).

If classic has helped blizzard in any regard it has been to improve some core game systems after shadowlands, which has made retail more attractive.

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I play retail, it’s nothing like classic. Some stuff are good but they came at the expense of removing RPG elements from the game. Retail is not in a good state right now, and everyone wants Midnight to be a good expansion.

Also, retail and classic players are nothing alike. There are some players who are like me that play both versions, but most don’t. They hate classic as much as classic players hate retail. It’s why they are so different from each other.

Both crowds think so differently, which is why that guy said, “You think you do, but you don’t”.

In his mind:

  • Now you don’t have to wait to level 40 for your mount, you can fly at level 10.
  • Now you don’t have to run to the dungeon, we teleport you there.
  • Now you don’t have to go to your trainer to change talents, you can do it everywhere.

And so forth.

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No its not. Retail is dog sht compared to classic (till wrath)

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wrath is just tbc being doubled down on

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I always needed Khadgar in Wheelchair and some lesbian black protagonist. I whish more solo play in future classic iterations. Maybe personal loot, lfg with bots and one button combat assist

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You don’t actually specify much about what you feel is “wrong” about how people play classic. Also, have you even considered that what YOU consider to be “the classic way” of playing might not be universal?
To me, the thing I like about classic, is class mechanics, talents, that the world is focused on Azeroth, the way the power progression works, the dungeons and raids, the overall “feel” of the game. Nothing about the game is “new and fresh” anymore, because I’ve played it before.

To me, retail isn’t fun. I would not play that even if it was free. It’s that simple. I absolutely LOATHE the class changes Blizzard have made. It feels like an entirely different game with vaguely similar graphics. That’s why I play classic.

I’m not sure what you’re referring to with “auto-accept/loot addons.”

J. Allen Brack was wrong. I actually DO prefer to whisper somebody asking if they want to join me for a dungeon, rather than simply being auto-matched with other players. I actually prefer longer dungeons with more trash vs. the 15-minute timeslot dungeons of retail.

So, I challenge you: What is it you feel people are doing wrong? Why do you feel like people aren’t playing classic “the right way”? Can you specify it beyond that you’re unhappy with the player base as a whole? It’s important to remember that the majority of people playing classic today are 20 years older than they were during vanilla. We don’t always have as much free time to spend today as we did back then. So sometimes we raid log. Some times we use an addon to provide “GPS” for a quest we only half remember from 2005. That doesn’t mean that we’d be better off playing retail.

If the only WoW available was retail, I wouldn’t be playing WoW. It’s that simple.

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… and some of us are 20 years older and have more time now :wink:

Yes.

Yes,

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I agree 100 % I have not played Retail since BfA, and I do not even imagien doing it. No Classic = no sub from me.

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