Most of my kills last boss are with me clicking bombs, and they are indeed Orange/Pink. I would go OOM if I had to constantly blast a boss for 5-6 min without stop.
But it also has to do with commmunication and timing, Im guessing in a slowed down PUG where clearing bombs is a part of it - its much harder to achive it. These perspectives given here on the forum are usually some clueless guy making assumptions based on the latest PUG he was in.
bruh look how much dmg % you did on your epic parse and how much you did on the green parser see the difference?
green parse most of your dmg is on bombs, while epic parse bomb dmg is a fraction of your overall dmg because at least three ranged did the bombs
you proved me right with your parses and now keep lying through your teeth lmao
Green is grey now? I parsed green soloing most of the bombs, then I started acting up at some point going semi AFK and got myself killed toward the end. And Still I got a 49, literally almost the “average”.
No lying here, only you being proven wrong.
The raid I didn’t touch a single bomb I got a 99*, the other parses where I do some bombs together with a few other ranged/healer I parse purple/orange.
*I forgot 1 more run where a warlock solod all bombs, I got a 96 and the warlock didn’t grey parse.
I only pug, I never raid lead, if I get told to do bombs I’ll do bombs.
I just look for a decent pug, I join, I do what they tell me to do, and I try to parse as high as I can.
I know parsing pinks & gold is not entirely in your control, this depends a lot on the group the comp etc, but if you parse grey that’s all on you, you can’t blame mechanics or the group or whatever. Unless you died out of your control.
I’m not trying to flex or come off as a superior gigachad, but these bad ppl who are playing victim just need to stop.
You did more for your group in the green parse than in the epic/purple parse
Gnome final boss is a long fight with a strong focus on mechanics, not a DPS race
while my intial post was maybe an exageration regarding grey parsing
my sentiment was right and you proved it
If 1 guy can solo all the bombs, how could I be doing more for my group?
You’re never going to have everybody doing the bombs, there’s not enough bombs. Are the other people supposed to pretend they’re killing invisible bombs or can they just parse on the boss?
I’m not sure I understand your point then, yes mechanics are important. Was that the point? My point is mechanics can be done while parsing well.
This is also only an “issue” on the last boss, and nobody is going to decline somebody with full purple/orange logs but green, or even grey on last boss.
Shhhh… Don’t let people know classic is actually extremely easy. The majority of “hardcore” try hards (the ones that ask for ksm to do a +12 key or aotc for a normal pug, you know exactly what people i mean) are in SoD now and retail has never been better.
So did I.
Except we went 6/6 and didn’t wipe once.
If it was easy then they would have 6/6 the raid and it would not have taken them 2 and a half hrs.
I don’t follow their content, but those are some of my favourite groups to run with because attitudes are just chilled out/wholesome generally
This is kind of an unlogical take. The Vanilla boomers had much harder content in Vanilla + TBC. If you think “classic” with the 20x nerfs to the raids was the same back in Vanilla when they got introduced you are dead wrong.
PvE in Vanilla - TBC was much harder in the first literation. Even on PServers the encounters were made harder - and the boomers loved it.
My take is that the retail zoomers dont like hard things, they want to get everything for free and if there is a single wipe they throw a tantrum asking for mommy to comfort them.
Sure there are some still in retail that want harder content - that enjoy a good challenge, but I think they are the minority there.
We never had this min max mentality in Vanilla or Pservers, this came from the retail zoomer crowd in Classic - that seem to play the game with a steering wheel and foot pedales misstaking this game for a formula one racing game.
But to be fare, I dont put the blame on a generation or the playerbase - these symptoms are originated from the games system. If you have one lockout per raid ID - people will more drawn to take less risk. This is intensified with 10 man raids, since in 40 you had less micromanagement needed for risk - when it came to class distribution.
What I am saying is, I´d rather have a raid with the pserver boomers over retail zoomers anyday of the week.
vanilla was never hard and you could double HP of every boss, it doesnt matter because there are very few mechanics. It was hard back then, because people were just bad (lack of addons/information etc.).
I was in a boomer guild (most of them were og players with kids) and some of them were really good players for sure, but sadly big part of them struggled with bombs/baiting at 4th boss. I dont have anything against chill/casual approach, but failing to clear 6/6 month after p2 release is just sad.
If i have a choice to get 6/6 smooth clear with tryhard retail zoomers who care about logs and a ‘chill’ run that fails for 30m on Electrocutioner 6000 just to disband after, the choice is kinda obv for me
Simpy not true mate, Vanilla prior to the 20 nerfed version that was released with the classic version - was very hard with the current gear that was avalible. Your simply misstaking classic version with first iterration in Vanilla. And we have many of those old players in Vanilla that are still considered as the best in the world - they didnt become good because they suddenly downloaded an addon. I know many players back from there that would wipe the floor with the people I see from retail with their 100000 addons.
In short, the best players back then are still considerd as the best players today.
Even on pservers the encounters were made harder and the boomers loved it. We hated classic because they released that patch directly instead of doing a real vanilla experience (I.E not jumping into late patch with nerfed content on day 1). The boomers who got “Classic” first MC kills - cleared MC in greens (same boomers who played on pservers).
I do get that our personal experience may warry, mine are the opposite from yours. Some of the worst runs I have ever had dating back from Vanilla to Pservers are from Classic with retail players. The amount of lack of basic knowledge and entitlement was something I have never seen. Even when you explained the strats to them they got offended and left. I cant ever imagine them having some of our old GM´s who would shout for 10 minutes straight in your ears if you did one misstake.
Back in vanilla I was in a hardcore PvE guild and a PvP, and the PvE hardcore raid was a competly different monster. I´m not joking if you were late with a dispel for 1-2 seconds you would get benched and screamed at. The competition was alot more ferce for world first and server first.
just watch any vanilla clip from og vanilla and you will see half afk players and 5 serpent stings on boss.
In short, the best players back then are still considerd as the best players today?
yeah sure Kungen wipes on Onyxia doing absolutely awful healing and Vurtne got filtered by TBC arena
Who got the Classic world firsts though? 
In the PvP scene I mean Hydra, Ziqo - monkeynews are still considered some of the best players.
Even when we ranked in Vanilla to HW, our BG leader would shout at us for 8 mins straight if we didnt win 5-0 AB vs other premades, if the enemy got a single node cap or he didnt get dispeled instantly he would rage hard. But it worked, we didnt lose a single BG for 4 months and we grinded 5 HW´s. It was another monster back then.
I agree with you that the casual scene was very casual and relaxed - alot more so than now. It was more about the social aspect and fun. Now the casual scene is much less casual - these symptons are impacting them (with 10 man raids, 1 raid instance lockout instead of loot from individual boss lockouts). This makes people take less risks, and they want to minimize that risk with a meta comp. We are all impacted by this - wether we are boomers are zoomers - we all fall into taking less risk.
I have seen worse stuff coming from r1 retail players playing classic
No he doesnt, find a guild, and stop pugging. We dont want dumbed down content that you can just pug, thats not what classic was about. You want to pug stuff go to retail and use raid finder
thats why i prefer 40 man raids, my guild used to have all type of players - we had r14 warriors playing with first-time lightwell priest enjoyers and we didnt have any problems
Same mate. Perhaps 10 man raids would have worked better if the lockouts worked similar as retail.
Just dinged 40 and went straignt to gnomer with PUG. Cleared 6/6 with no wipes. I was shadow priest. Helped alot with dispells and buttons and offheals. Gnomer is just too easy. However this was my alt and i knew exacly what to do , except dps because of lack of gear. Just proves that you dont have to be full bis to brag that you can clear gnomer. Mechanics are the key. Avoiding unnecessery damage helps alot to healers also , positioning aswell.
Just get gud
You mean get 9 people that carry your 100 dps shadow