What is your stance on people coming late or just dont fly to instance, but instead asking for summon constantly, in guild-raids?
I dont know, it just drives me insane, dont care if it is guildies or not, it just isnt right and GM and RL tolerate this. Last night, between BWL start and 2nd boss, locks had to run out for six times to summon people, while others have to wait.
When I come to raid, Im always prepared and outside instance 10-15 min before raid. If I cant, I just dont sign for raid or say in advance to RL. Or just fly and ask for summon while inside.
Same here, good goin man you are real professional
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Yep, not at all. Either bench the late people or at least make them make their own way. Casuals or not, making 30+ other people wait for you isn’t cool.
You say “WTB”, on my warlock I certainly don’t mind if they are genuinely willing to buy.
As for raids? I’m in a casual raid group and we consistently have Level 20 warlocks outside the raid to summon people in, to preserve world buff duration. Even if that was not possible, the Level 60 warlocks come with enough shards to cover this.
I’m not really sure what the issue here is?
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My guild does things differently, we summon everyone to raids and make sure they get in safely instead of running down themselves and getting killed. Summons also reduce the time lost on world buffs.
We don’t expect our warlocks to summon, but most people in the guild have either lvl20 warlock alts, or other unused alts that they can help us summon people with.
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You don’t have to:
- grind mats for the creation of shard bags, like really expensive stuff
- prepare with grinding shards on top of getting world buffs/ DM buffs
- sacrifice most if not all of ur bagspace to store shards
- pay the repair bill after grinding the shards
- having to go on ur own to the designated raids
- having to spend yet more time lost on ur world / DM buffs to summon all the royalty who think it’s a right to get a summon
All those princes and princesses on a pea who then frown upon warlocks doing low dps on trash cause they need to grind all the shards back during the raid on trash they lost while summoning because they are actually needed to also do dps with and then the yelling on discord when warlocks out-aggro the tanks and have nothing to drop aggro with.
Yes warlocks lifes are really great lifes as servants but yeah, you don’t see any issues.
Never experienced any shade towards Warlocks in my raid groups. Most remind them that they get better by Naxx and become kings in TBC.
Also you have to do research on the class before rolling it.
If you’re going to raid as a Warlock, you have to be prepared to use shards.
If you’re going to PvP as Warrior, you have to be prepared to queue with 1 to 4 healers.
If you’re going to play a Druid, you have to be prepared to carry flags and Innervate people that you perhaps don’t like.
Sounds like you have a chip on your shoulder. This is a cope issue.
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Ofc i posted the warlock stuff the darkest way possible i could imagine (in pugs sadly this can become reality) but ur reply is of a whole other level. When playing the lock, those shards are mine, demanding ppl only make me go have a bio together with the other 2 warlocks.
The lock isn’t my classic main (i did however raid on him), it’s my mage, ppl somehow tend to be more respectful towards mages with exceptions such as some pugs.
They do it because they can.
Sounds like a bad guild with no preparation and discipline.
This is why I find pepega guilds intolerable, you end up spending more time for the game than world top guilds because you have stupid/lazy/slacking people.
If people sign up to raid at 7? They know they have to be rdy for first pull at 7.
Being late comming online 7:30 is unacceptable, because 30+ ppl are left waiting, getting angry and frustrated.
We only summon to silithus, and it is a guild effort to make sure locks have shards etc.
For brm, noone gets summoned. We meet up and ride together, ad if you are late (as in telling us on discord) we will simply start, and you will have to get there on your own.
People who cba being on time, get replaced by a bench player within 5mins.
I do not understand guilds that accept people being late, making everyone else wait.
Yeah, put raids later in the evening. This 19 o’clock standard sucks domash for everyone. Start raiding at 21.
Maybe I wasnt clear:
- raid starts at 8pm, raid invites at 7:45
- most people come to BWL at 7:50
- summons start at 7:50
- 30 people get in until 7:55
- 7:58, “Im late again, summon “, lock+2 other get out to summon and back in
- 8:00, another latecomer, “summon”
- 8:08 new comer comes, “summon”
- 8:12 before pull another one, and we ofc go for summon
See the issue?
Sounds like your guild is small. Look to expand a bit.
When you have more raiders than raid spots, people stop slacking like that because they’ll just get benched. Nobody wants to get benched.
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Same here we have lvl20 locks that summon the entire raid in advance.
Our raid starts at 7 but summons start at 5
If there are other people ready to replace the ones that are coming late then you can easily force some discipline within your whole guild.
Lets say i am a healer and the guild needs me then i could easily come late all the time and they would still kiss my hand. This would not be the case if they could just invite another healer start with the first pull accordingly.
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Like others said, you generally want to have 4-5 bench spots including at least one healer and a fury/feral who can offtank in a pinch (if your TF main tank is late, you have another class of problem entirely). It is amazing how punctual everyone suddenly becomes if their raid spot is contested. Surprisingly, they even find more consumes in their bags out of nowhere, and they just had enough time to snag that DMT and Songflower before raid 
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you are pathetic its literally what your class is designed to do and you rather sit around while other ppl have to make up for it
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Before AQ we didn’t do summons. If your late you get here asap yoyrself. we do not wait for anyone, we ride together at said time and we don’t stop until we reach the instance, take 30sek to swap gear and get your Elixirs up then we pull. We will clear the raid without you if your late.
Just clear with the 30players that are on time, everyone who’s late can walk and miss loot from the first bosses.
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I don’t understand why people are so lazy and obese. It’s like they want the QoL changes of Retail implemented to Classic.