It matters before as well. If something does 5% more damage, it does 5% more damage in top end, but in bottom end as well.
You fail to realize that people care about player power even when they themselves are not participating in highest difficulty content.
And the other thing you fail to realize, is that itâs the opposite. If youâre unable to participate in highest difficulty, because youâre not good enough, then you need the player power boost even more.
I agree. That wonât change thus this decision is bad. Easy.
true, but vast majority of players will switch a lot, as they did with covenants
I didnât start with the 1% argument, you did. And now that you failed your burden of proof and I am clearly correct, you try to backtrack it.
Yes but the reason is debatable, I would argue simply for trying new things and new playstyles not because of player power.
Also again, they didnt switch alot with covenants early cause you would be massively behind, stop outing yourself as someone who never played shadowlands, lucky you, but dont act like you know what youâre talking about.
As always, blizzard have sent their usual bought and fake account comments rediculing themselves and defending the impossible low quality that is retail today to defend. Ignore and skip to the sensible comments.
That is not to say, we cannot have a sensible discussion about the game. It is true that they have removed most, if not all, choice in the award winning multiple choice mmo. No longer can you do quests in whatever order you like, as they follow up, they also took away the choice of quest rewards, and ofcourse the basic cookie cutter builds everyone will be forced to choose, presenting the illusion of choice, buttered up with ugly looking sets they expect everyone to transmog so they donât have to make much effort their either, in areaâs that will most likely bore you to sleep.
For years, they also stuck to the illusion of saying, classic success is simply a matter of nostalgia, with proven workarea ethics hostile to women in general. In recent years they finally had to change their opinion about that, but not before the law forced them. Obviously which they never publically admitted, as they deflected guilt to their playerbase. So, it is also true that they tend to stick in most stubborn ways, to whatever absurdities they choose to believe in, in the workarea.
In regards to retail, keep your expectations as low as possible, because there isnât much to be expected from it. Will prevent you unnecessary disappointment. When it comes to retail, hope truely is a dangerous thing.
Okay cool opinion, I suppose you can think this way, go you and all that.
Not my opinion and I find it pretty easy to say who asked as your opinion is more of the state of the game and not the actual topic.
So yeah cool, nice negativity for no reason, we arenât blind we just choose the play the game we enjoy, didnât know that being negative is the cool and intelligent thing to do, guess Iâm stupid for enjoying a game but hey, atleast you have the satisfaction of⊠nothing⊠not sure what you get for saying this out loud like we are all sheep who have never heard it and made out own thoughts about it.
I literally never said they donât, I said it doesnât matter.
And again: player power is also about gear. You can yolo talents and go for good gear in mid difficulty pve content, you can choose a memespec and go for gear or pick optimal talents.
Nope, you did. You literally started it with this quote. Stop twisting words. Itâs like arguing with a highschooler who canât take it when people disagree and starts lying.
Anyway burden of proof is on you since you started this thread, not me buddy.
Go ahead, cherry pick quote one sentence from my reply you can dissect and twist into your own thing. Itâs the only thing you can do. I have yet to see you reply to anything logical anyone here says.
Weâre going in circles and you keep strawmanning away from what literally everyone here is saying about your original post: covenants are in no way, shape or form like hero talents at all, period. Donât like WW; donât play it.
Perhaps Iâm being silly, but I donât see how the level of play is at all relevant to the comparison between Covenants and hero talents.
Whether you are a RWF raider, or someone who doesnât even step into LFR, it doesnât change the following:
Covenants restricted you to choosing a side and that being âyour sideâ at least with the games original release, hero talents donât do this
Covenants required you spend time completing tasks for that covenant in order to earn your way through the covenant tree, Hero talents come naturally through levelling
Covenants had entire story lines dedicated to helping them, Hero talents are not affiliated in any way with a particular in game faction, race or group.
Essentially the two systems are nothing alike. I am reluctant to even call hero talents a âsystemâ as itâs essentially just an extension to the talent system.
As such the usual elitsm brings nothing to the table here, as it doesnât in most threads.
I invite the OP to prove me wrong by demonstrating any of the following:
Hero talents require you to choose a set of talents once, and that be your choice throughout the expansion, or at least, that there is some heavy cost to changing,
Hero talents require players to complete unique tasks in relation to those talents, in order to unlock them
Hero talents have plot devices, or story attached to them like covenants.
That how systems work, changes based upon the players skill.
right, so now you lie about me not playingâŠ
are you willing to stand your ground, will you apologize and admit I am right, if I prove you I played?
It does to them obviously. Theyâre not supposed to play the game as you wish them to play, but rather as they want to.
It was reaction to your comment.
And since you have need to insult me, it shows you already lost your argument and you know it.
I explained the comparison already. Player power being tied to aesthetics / fantasy. Thatâs the comparison.
Blizzard not realizing that.
Playerbase realizing that.
Blizzard not communicating.
Blizzard not willing to make changes.
No, you having wild opinions and ideas doesnât make me wrong, who taught you how to debate, ayayay you ignored everything I said and went: âoh no he didnât *snaps fingers *â and proceeded to answer to only that and ignore the rest of my comment. Nice debating, maybe try oh idk being convincing and not just a âNuh uh because *insert wild statement about covenants *â, and then proceed to ignore anything to make you seem smart and not disproven i guess, but it just makes you look sensitive and helpless in a debate.
Why exactly are you still playing again? Fully willing giving your hard earned money to this dreadful company?
Now donât come around with the Token, 'cause if you only pay your gametime with gold, youâre effectively giving Blizzard even more money than you woukld by paying directly with money.
Another strawman word twist, jeez dude get a grip. The âno uâ is getting tiring.
Youâre obviously fighting a losing battle here and you know it, else you wouldnât cherry-pick peopleâs replies and quote only a part of which you can twist and change. Youâre literally incapable of saying âyou know what you have a point but I see it this wayâ and thats why I called you a kid.
It doesnât matter what anyone here is going to say to you, youâre going to disagree, twist their words and say you were right all along. Thatâs not how a discussion works buddy.
Your main OP was debunked after 2 min, but you kept going despite a dozen people already telling you why your comparison is not valid.
last time and then Iâm going to call it a day.
Hero talents do not have aesthetics, they are just TALENTS. Whatever blizz likes to call it.
Calling a hunter a Dark Ranger is fun and all, but itâs just giving hunter a form of Black Arrow back, itâs literally just a spell. Itâs a name they gave the extra talent row to give it flair, not aesthetics, flair.
There is no similarity, due to one being borrowed power and the other being more or less intrinsic to your class and spec. OP is reaching here and he knows it.
Hero talents being separate from talent trees, is the best thing they could of done
this means they are not concrete. they can be removed, or swapped or changed. with a flick of a switch.
100% the best way to approach button bloat and Meta gaming.
the alternative would of been adding extra rows to the talent trees. and everyone would go Meta build anyway⊠and weve done this for years. we know this never works out.
that is quite serious. thank you for exposing this. it can be hard enough for brilliant people like me and you to share our thoughts and have enlightened conversation without agents of the conspirators spreading falsehoods. keep letting the masses know the truth as you are doing everyone a favor by doing so
Several posts ago now I gave the OP the option to provide answers to any of several questions to help support his argument that covenants could be similar to hero talents.
So far, Iâm yet to see a real attempt to answer any of those questions. I think we can safely assume the comparison discussion is over, and the thread with it.
Still, itâs been a fun way to spend an afternoon, to learn about different opinions players have and how diverse the audience for this game truly is
