🦄 High Elves will be playable by the end of Midnight

[Claudio-argent-dawn]

Another Useless Topic with a race we already have, eats my popcorn

[Amora-argent-dawn]

@Sylvare-argent-dawn

Writing wise, I think they handled the blood elves joining the horde very well, the story is compelling, you can look at the story beats and see why the actors in that period all did what they did.

I agree with this, the way they introduced Blood Elves to the Horde made sense at the time. I just wish they’d let the Sunwell be destroyed, or be weakened so we could utilize their darker aspects more, they’re such a cool race.

[Numriel-die-aldor]

Calling that a political union is a stretch.

[Tah-earthen-ring]

@Numriel-die-aldor

Calling that a political union is a stretch.

I didn’t. I called it unification.
I never used the words ‘political union’.

Stop being weird and accept what Blizzard writes. As you said I should do.

@Numriel-die-aldor

Said so by Blizzard. Who actually writes the story. not you.

Thank you for providing that quote.
I’m going to use this against your own arguments ALL THE TIME!

[Sylvare-argent-dawn (Sylvare)]

That would somewhat mean trudging on other races gimmicks if suddenly they become of everything, so for that reason idk if its likely to happen.

Then again it is a scrapped Danuser story and he is king of replacement writing so it could’ve very easily been (yes I have Danuser Derangement Syndrome)

@Amora-argent-dawn

I agree with this, the way they introduced Blood Elves to the Horde made sense at the time. I just wish they’d let the Sunwell be destroyed, or be weakened so we could utilize their darker aspects more, they’re such a cool race.

True, TBC belves were very cool, some mellowing out was to be expected cause it was on the borderline of destructive (esp. with how blood knights wielding stolen light worked) but maybe give some of their edge back
The mana vampirism was a really neat touch

[Numriel-die-aldor]

@Tah-earthen-ring

Stop being weird and accept what Blizzard writes. As you said I should do.

We aided Velen on the Exodar too when will the Horde be getting entry there? One time events usually don’t have a lasting effect my dude.

[Tah-earthen-ring]

@Sylvare-argent-dawn

That would somewhat mean trudging on other races gimmicks if suddenly they become of everything, so for that reason idk if its likely to happen.

Oh I doubt it’ll mechanically do anything for the various elf races. Probably not.
But the lore says unification.

We’ll see what happens next.

[Tah-earthen-ring]

@Numriel-die-aldor

We aided Velen on the Exodar too when will the Horde be getting entry there? One time events usually don’t have a lasting effect my dude.

But players who play Midnight when it’s no longer current content will still need access to everything. This is not about lore, it’s about practical player experience.

Think McFly! Think!

Also:

@Numriel-die-aldor

One time events usually don’t have a lasting effect my dude.

Tell that to Deathwing who’s destruction is STILL in the game today.

[Amora-argent-dawn]

@Sylvare-argent-dawn

True, TBC belves were very cool, some mellowing out was to be expected cause it was on the borderline of destructive (esp. with how blood knights wielding stolen light worked) but maybe give some of their edge back
The mana vampirism was a really neat touch

Yeah, definitely. There should’ve been room for growth for the Blood Knights, without homogenizing them into yet another Paladin fantasy trope. It was all so fittingly Sin’dorei. They deserved to be more than they became, imo.

And on that note:

I also think that they should’ve gone with this theme with the Sunwell in this expansion - it could’ve served as a way to bring back the edge, instead we end up with more unity and handholding. The Blood Elves should’ve had the last word on the well, and though I think the aid and offerings of the other elves brought a nice touch, everyone bringing something to it robs it of what made it solely theirs. It feels like a wasted opportunity.

[Numriel-die-aldor]

@Tah-earthen-ring

Tell that to Deathwing who’s destruction is STILL in the game today.

Last time I checked Stormwind is no longer half destroyed.

@Tah-earthen-ring

Think McFly! Think!

We can park them all in tents outside the city really.

[Tah-earthen-ring]

@Numriel-die-aldor

We can park them all in tents outside the city really.

Let’s see how you would feel if Blizzard did that to the horde.
The whining from you would be insane.

@Numriel-die-aldor

Last time I checked Stormwind is no longer half destroyed.

One example out of god knows how many examples that are still true to this day.
Sorry, try again.

And to be clear: I would LOVE for WoW to have a living world that evolves and changes over time in a logical way.
But that’s not what WoW is, sadly.

[Numriel-die-aldor]

@Tah-earthen-ring

Let’s see how you would feel if Blizzard did that to the horde.
The whining from you would be insane.

The Horde was basically ignored for the past 9 years so we already know how that feels. Even in the initial path we follow Umbric, Arator and Valeera instead of any of the Horde elves despite the setting being THEIR land. Nothing more worse then entitled alliance fans who aren’t aware of all their priviliges.

[Moritz-hellfire]

Mmoc gave us more spoilers.
Only sharing because it seems very relevant to the conversation going on.
The below is a copy paste of their post.
Click at your own risk.

SPOILERS - this is my paraphrasing of several fragmented audio files, also could easily be old storylines or mistakes on my part.

Post Voidspire questline leading to Darkwell
Arathor suggests recruiting the scattered elven tribes after the Darkwell defeats the Vanguard of the Light, - the High Elves of the Silver Covenant are convinced to finally be allowed back into Silvermoon and bring Sunstrider artifacts, crown and law book, as a peace offering and reminder of their late King who they all still respect - Silver Covenant and Sunreavers combine begrudgingly, and but still hate each other but do it out of loyalty to King Anasterian’s legacy.
Next is Nightborne are recruited after saving them from void forces stealing their mana, finally the Night Elves - Shandris agrees without conditions to aid the Blood Elves, surprising Lor’themar, but expresses a disappointment in the Blood Elves still needing a well of power and request it be not re- empowered if they help cleanse it. Maiev is angry about now 3 times the Sunwell has been a target that has threatened the world and those mana addicts need to sort themselves out.

Darkwell’s Future -
The leaked igc models are the different elves infusing the Darkwell with the fruit, void crystal (to refocus the void energies, rommath is mad about it) and Anasterian crown and Vial of Moonwell water, no audio but assuming Liadrin does holy. This balances the well and Liadrin calls it a new beginning not a Sunwell but a Dawnwell that will be a symbol as it now shifts between the Sun and Moon and Holy and Shadow . Also its mentioned by Rommath that the Sunwell is depowered greatly and will take them a while to get used to being without its power.

Xal’s Goal
Xal after the corruption of the Sunwell into the Darkwell, not much seems to happen regarding the devouring host attacking or taking over. Umbric and Rommath dicuss that attacking the surface doesnt seem to be her goal and discover the Darkwell burrowing into the world and sending Xal’s army and power deep into the planet.

[Kaeros-dentarg]

@Moritz-hellfire

Mmoc gave us more spoilers.
Only sharing because it seems very relevant to the conversation going on.
The below is a copy paste of their post.
Click at your own risk.

Normally I avoid spoilers, but in order to keep up with this topic it seems inevitable, so on this occasion I will make an exception.

The well being depowered does explain why both Blood Elves and Void Elves will continue as they are, they won’t be drawning on it to any great extent. It sounds as if Umbric refocuses the void energies within the Darkwell, allowing the infusion of other powers to balance it out. In other words, the well is not for the sustenance of the Thalassians, the new well is balanced so an out of control Darkwell is no longer a threat.

The Blood Elves are going to have to learn to live without the well, and this may potentially presage them leaning ever more into light and arcane magics to compensate. That may have consequences in future, particularly with the Arathi.

And the Silver Covenant is finally done away with, merged into this Sunsilver Accord who may show up in future patches. I am not sorry about that in the slightest. Any future appearance of THIS organisation cannot be claimed as ‘proving Alliance High Elves have a role’. This is not an Alliance organisation, it is a thalassian one.

And yeah, Xal’atath will have gotten what she wanted and moved on. Of course she will have. Next step, Ultaek.

[Sylvare-argent-dawn (Sylvare)]

@Moritz-hellfire

Arathor suggests recruiting the scattered elven tribes after the Darkwell defeats the Vanguard of the Light, - the High Elves of the Silver Covenant are convinced to finally be allowed back into Silvermoon and bring Sunstrider artifacts, crown and law book, as a peace offering and reminder of their late King who they all still respect - Silver Covenant and Sunreavers combine begrudgingly, and but still hate each other but do it out of loyalty to King Anasterian’s legacy.

This is very much smelling like the idea is to absorb the high elves back into quel’thalas as they rejoin the kingdom to defend the sunwell.
There’s a chance a separation of factions is still planned because then it would suddenly click why they are holding off on playable high elves, cause without factions or an exile, their only difference left is truely what they name themselves.

Not sure what the purpose of the Dawnwell will be in the lore or how adding even more forces to its palette will make it more robust or prevent it from being targeted again.
The way I see it, the more forces you pour into it, the more potent it should be, the more of a target it becomes.

[Tah-earthen-ring]

@Numriel-die-aldor

Nothing more worse then entitled alliance fans who aren’t aware of all their priviliges.

I’d say a horde obsessed fanatic who isn’t able to accept reality is far worse.

[Amora-argent-dawn]

I don’t know what to think about these spoilers, to be honest.

[Sander-defias-brotherhood]

If only that would end the stupid helf debate. But I really doubt it.

[Sylvare-argent-dawn (Sylvare)]

It is absolutely me reading between the lines
and among the lines are also non elf related things like eitrig becoming a son of lothar
Its points on a graph and I’m seeing a line, but maybe the line isn’t actually there, but the points are.

Its just that, lets say we restore the dawnwell, even letting the Void Elves chip in to its balancing, why would the exile of either high elves or void elves remain after?

I’m trying to think of how they could remain seperate entities but with what we have so far I don’t know.

[Kiryanor-grim-batol]

@Tah-earthen-ring

Let’s see how you would feel if Blizzard did that to the horde.

Maybe but it would be a logical move if the plot centered around Alliance region. And frankly when something like that was proposed for the alliance side its fans just melted all the same. Didn’t you see the meltdown when the devs mistakenly said that 1/3rd of New Silvermoon would be available to all(and not the 2/3rd). When some suggested alliance players should pay less for the expansion?

And in the end I don’t feel the Horde is done any service here. Because despite it being Silvermoon and Quel’Thalas the Blood Elves are pushed to the Margin and the Player’s basically treated by the plot as the lapdog to the Alliance characters and calming down unease surrounding Army of Light’s less than stellar actions.