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Blue cod!
If those two servers should be merged, we’ll have no medium-high PvE servers left only High-full. In conrtrast to the explicit policy of giving people the homes they like*.
You ask for something new to be done that will inconvenience a lot of players to save you the transfer sum.
I asked on behalf of communities for the preservation of something existing, not bothering anybody.
Those two requests cannot reasonably be compared. And I chose to tell my opinion of your point of view, not of you.
*. Quoting Aggrend, a blue from the US forums.
Link: https://us.forums.blizzard.com/en/wow/t/thoughts-on-realm-consolidation/1263429/3
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This level of customer service is an absolute slap in the face to your player-base.
Blizzard, please say something, anything, give us some information. If you are not interested in us anymore just tell us, I am sure we can find other things to do rather than be an inconvenience to you.
Can we PLEASE have some details?
Thanks in advance.
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Sounds good, doesn’t work.
You’ll end up with 12+ hour queues and mass DC’s in Shattrath as the client can’t handle so many people, which really boggles my mind since Warhammer handled over 3k people in a single keep siege with collision, 15 years ago.
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I’d transfer there. 100%. Saw another thread about that server, it sounded pretty f’in cool and chill.
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You don’t know what a red herring argument (fallacy) is. Interesting.
To quickly address your points:
This is not for my convenience. Blizzard has an obligation to maintain a quality service to its subscribers.
Nethergarde keep is dying and I predict its population will decline further with fresh servers for Wrath and a not so high influx of new people who will play Wrath. I’m proactively arguing that the server is merged with another because it will eventually become a low population server. The population is declining for the other two PVE servers as well. So in the end we might have two servers with med and high populations.
I have eluded to this in my post but you chose to ignore it. You simply want to argue for the sake of argument.
In your case, you are trying to maintain a niche server type with low population for your own pleasure. I have no issue with it. Nor do I care. It’s your right to demand from Blizzard to provide a quality service as a subscriber.
Your obsession over my request is just trolling. And this is why I can’t take your posts seriously. Thank you for your time.
But what you are asking ist not what everybody on these servers would want. German PVE servers are in a kind of similar(ish) situation. Everlook is high, Razorfen and Lakeshire are medium. The drifference is that there is a bit more Horde on Razorfen than on the EN realms, I guess. I play on Lakeshire now, which is the smallest of the PVE servers. I like it there. I find groups any time of day, if I open them myself. If they merged Lakeshire and Razorfen, I would be super pissed. It is just not the experience I seek. I am sure, there are people prefering the current state to a merge as well on the EN servers.
The rp servers are a bit different, as everybody who wanted a bigger server has been allowed to move for free for months. Keeping them now won’t hurt anybody, unlike merging PVE realms.
Soon to be closed PVP servers are different, too. I have yet to see a single post on EU forums complaining about it. People want them gone, even want their servers added to the list. In that, they are different than the remaining PVE servers, too, where some people actually want to play.
So I am all for closing some pvp servers and all for keeping rp servers. It is the rare occasion everybody kind of agrees and nobody would be hurt. But this just doesn’t apply to the merging of PVE servers.
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I do not know what the situation is in Lakeshire. You can be the judge of what’s best for your server.
On Nethergarde keep, I know a good number of guilds that moved over to Pyrewood Village over the past month. A couple of more will change servers with the prepatch. A few more are still debating. The population has declined from an average 5000 people between January and March, to 3200 now. Guilds are finding it very hard to recruit.
Im not really sure about NGK is in trouble, it looks more like combination of summer time + content draught + SWP not nerfed, less raiding + wotlk still far away.
If you check other servers, they also show lower number of player activity.
Ofcourse, I might be wrong.
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Sad Chromie sounds. 3,2K to 600 raiders in half of the year.
Yes, but not necessarily free.
And this is interestingly enough what we - the RP population - has asked for all along.
And you’re trying to have only the opposite, high-pop servers, which as you yourself told me already exist. So the only difference really is athat you, contrary to me, is not willing to pay the transfer fee.
As others clearly has stated, the population evrywhere is declining now, awaiting pre-pacth. Lets talk again once prepatch and Wrath Classic has hit.
Yes, and if you read what Angrend said, “we” also need low-pop servers.
It all sums up to you not wanting to pay for what you like, and therefore ending up dictating how others have to play.
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Technically, they only have obligation to keep servers running, not to keep them well populated.
It is another matter when we players want them to keep servers populated.
False. Blizzard offers free transfers all the time. They do it to maintain their own desired level of quality.
WoW is an MMORPG. The first ‘M’ refers to Mass. Mass means high numbers. I do not understand this quirky fetishization for low pop servers. Not even Blizzard understands it. It’s merging servers on August 10th.
Fair enough.
I respect your demand. Please respect mine as well.
Take care.
Incorrect. Blizzard is merging servers. They want to reduce costs, maintain a profitable business and create more populated servers.
A mass is many, not necessarily a humongous crowd.
And the RP stands for RolePlaying - how much would this be taken care of by closing down all the RP servers?
Luckily Blizz (Thanks Aggrend) at least half-understood this and kept one of the RP realms.
And if you read what Aggrend said in that citation I gave you, you could see that he understands that there is a need for medium and low-pop servers as well.
Here it is once again:
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They also expect these low pop servers to increase in population with the expansion. 
The matter of fact is that the higher the population of a server, the more profitable is for them. Hence the server consolidation.
I mean if by more profitable you mean people leaving in droves because of queue times and disillusionment you are 100% correct.
No one wants queues, and if people don’t want PVP and want to have unbalanced servers then their server should change from PVP to PvE.
Very disappointed with Blizzard currently. A shadow of what they once were.
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Like @Gatorin keeps advocating for, if transfers to Zandalar Tribe would have been open a long time ago, maybe the server could have stayed open. Sad. RP-PvP servers usually have the most stable populations of any PvP servers, be it in pure numbers or faction balance. Both Defias Brotherhood and Ravenholdt had a very consistent playerbase from mid-TBC to early Cata when I played on those two. Look at Grobbolus in the US region, it’s doing well. Blizzard f*ing ZT up speaks too much to how they absolutely ruined the servers. Sad.
(I think it’s too late for it making sense to open transfers to ZT. The damage is done as people moved from ZT in large numbers.)
I assume that statement about Blizzard having an obligation is an argument about moral responsibility. I think both of you are correct. I wish Blizz would have done more… and give us info already!
Even a medium pop server is “massively multiplayer”. Low pop is bad, but me and so many others don’t feel like playing on megaservers. Think of it as cities and where people would prefer to live. Some think the bigger city the better, and some want a smaller and less intense city to live in. Even smaller cities are cities with lots of people in them, just not millions of them. Each to their own.
Blizzard have had their heads up their own a** for far too long. This restructuring of Blizz seems promising this far. I’m not really fond of Asmongold, but he said something very accurate, about the Blizzard team for the longest time have alienated players that want to approach retail casually. There’s so many systems and things you need to be able to perform decently in a raid. Whereas in Wrath (the most popular expansion ever) it was very simple, “you do the dungeon, uuh and I got a badge, I put the badge in the guy and I got a helmet. Then I killed the boss and got more gear” paraphrasing, but something like that. So, with all the catch-up mechanics and so in Classic Wrath it may just be possible to pull in friends to play, I know I could recommend it now. I really didn’t feel like I could with TBCC due to how hostile that expansion is to new players joining in later phases.
Their inflated egos have scared away players and the plans for both Classic Wrath and Dragonblight seems promising this far, to me. If nothing else, this new approach they’ve gotten seems much more attentive to the ideal average player.
I think you’re wrong on one point here - I want to go to a PvE server so that I can have PvP out in the world. The PvP servers are mono-faction and I won’t get to kill any Alliance. On a PvE server I will be able to, or at least see some Alliance running around. This is the sad state of the servers currently, where PvE-servers encourage more W-PvP than PvP-servers.
Sure, I’ll probably end up on a RP-PvE server, which always are Alliance favored, but I’ll be able to turn PvP off so I don’t mind even if Alliance is 70%.
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The current course of my server is pointing to becoming a low population server. I do not want to end up in a low pop server and having to pay to move from it. That’s why I’m advocating for it to be merged or allow free transfers off it.
What’s a megaserver is to each one’s discretion. For me, none of the current PVE servers are anywhere near that and my proposed merger will not create what I would describe as a megaserver.
I generally agree.
Pyrewood shows up as Full in the realm select. Nethergarde and Mirage as either High or Medium depending on time and day.
Merging the latter two would leave us with no choices but 2 Full PvE realms in EU English - and this would go against Blizz’s own policy abour giving us freedom of choice as regards to our in-game homes.
Not to mention the naming panic ensuing.