2005 Vanilla vs 2019 Classic - World First Ragnaros Kill

Swamper-bloodfang · October 6, 2019, 1:42am

That’s only one person. Someone dumb enough to use fraps.(though a pioneer)

Jagarde-outland · October 6, 2019, 1:43am

Please, someone explain to this guy how ping ( ms ) , internet connection works, and how was it back in the days. Seems I fail to make him believe that unless he had the best internet connection on the planet and/or live right next to a Blizzard server, he could never had below 30ms in 2004/2005?

Ok, thanks!

Kvalel-argent-dawn · October 6, 2019, 1:45am

I did. I doubt you did. I assume you just skimmed through it for keywords that validated your opinion.

Great. Most of my guild already has that. We also have greater fire protection pot, UBRS fr buffs, Ony buff, plenty of enchants, plenty of mages and the experience of people who have farmed MC for many years on private servers.

How is it in anyway innacurate that we just walked in and smashed the place?

Dottie-thunderhorn · October 6, 2019, 1:45am

My latency in 2005 was about 80ms, I had 500Kbits/s ADSL. Now I have 400Mbits/s and my ping is around 15ms all the time.

In 2008 I tested ADSL2 for the ISP I worked for and got about 7Mbits/s on an old speedtouch silver modem with custom drivers and my latency dropped to about 35ms.

erm, 2009 if you look at the date. Also the health on the older one for raggy is dropping much quicker.

Jagarde-outland · October 6, 2019, 1:45am

Really? What IF, i give you another video of a play-style exactly like this from 2005?! Would that be, another dumb person?!

…right!

Swamper-bloodfang · October 6, 2019, 1:46am

Right. Because it was pretty much a waste of time back then to be recording videos.

Kvalel-argent-dawn · October 6, 2019, 1:47am

Oh yeah and what’s the proof for this btw? How is it not just something you say from your memory of fifteen years ago that could very well be innacurate.

Bowlow-bloodhoof · October 6, 2019, 1:47am

Europe servers was located in France, so our connection was pretty solid. Also I stated I paid good money to have good conection, which you fail to understand.
We’re talking in the 100 dollar area back in 2005. Thats 10/10 ADSL line which was huge. So no I was still not over 30 despite your belief.

I have no idea what your country was able to provide, but here where I live in Scandinavia we’ve always had solid Internet.

Kikke-ashbringer · October 6, 2019, 1:48am

Did you know that the 2004 EU servers where in Sweden before they got their own office in France? And that combined with Scandinavians amazing internet (even back then) And yes, MS from 20-40 was regular… I remember myself when my dad got ADSL in 05, and not far from servers =P Good times, good times.

But YES! High ping was the NORM back then, Scandinavians are just the exceptions

Quick Edit for the topic: Yes, players sucked back then, me included. I started getting gud after ADSL and I met my sempai in game. Before that I was a Shadowcraft cowered nelf rogue using Skullforge swords on my back. Only using Eviceserate on bosses and feel like such a badass every time I saw my dmg on top of recount.

Bowlow-bloodhoof · October 6, 2019, 1:49am

Was not aware or didnt remember that servers was located in Sweden. Nice catch

Jagarde-outland · October 6, 2019, 1:51am

You could not get 80ms back then with 500Kbits/s ADSL. 100+ yes. 500kbits / 8 = around 60k/s real download. I mean, you did knew that, right?!

So 3 years later. And tested. That’s…very different from the NORM of 2008 internet speed.

Erm…2005 if you at least cared to read the description “Guild Ascent on the server Medivh takes down Ragnaros for the first time anywhere on April 25th, 2005.”

I really don’t understand how people who mostly have no idea how internet speed works and what’s ping, start posting here like they are some pro’s like me…

Vinzora-draenor · October 6, 2019, 1:52am

Patches 1.10-1.12 saw big buffs for classes, especially healers and warrior threat production. Take a look at buffs to paladin and priest in 1.10, that’s just ONE patch. That’s not even taking into account all the buffs to itemization and nerfs to bosses over the patches. Blizzard didn’t tune MC to match all the buffs to classes and gear because it was already considered old content at the time. So basically we’re playing a patch that is balanced for Nax and everything before that is going to be the fake ez-mode version the original game.

Paladin

Blessing of Light - Different ranks of this spell were stacking without causing additional effect. It was never intended for them to be able to stack, so they can no longer stack.

Judgement of Justice - This judgement will now always hit.

Righteous Fury - Righteous Fury will now always generate the correct amount of additional threat on all holy damage. There were some abilities, such as Retribution Aura, where this did not work correctly.

Holy Shock - This ability now works with Divine Favor and Illumination.

Holy Shield - Mana cost reduced approximately 15%. The effect now has a small bonus coefficient from spell damage items and effects.

Eye for an Eye - This talent can now trigger while you are mounted.

Blessing of Sacrifice - This Blessing can no longer be used to prevent the death of a target that is supposed to die for a spell effect (e.g.: Sacrifice, Demonic Sacrifice, Divine Intervention, Ritual of Doom).

Seal of Command - Will now be able to proc when the Paladin is silenced.

Improved Seal of Righteousness - Tooltip updated to reflect actual functionality. This talent increases Seal of Righteousness and Judgement of Righteousness by 3-15%.

Lay on Hands - Range increased.

Divine Intervention - Range increased.

Holy Shield - Tooltip updated to reflect that damage caused by Holy Shield causes 20% additional threat. This has been active since 1.9, but was undocumented.

All Greater Blessings now have increased range.

Holy Shock - Mana cost reduced.

Most creatures that were previously immune to Scorpid Sting are now also immune to the Paladin Talent Vindication.

Fixed problem where occasionally repeated casts of Consecration will not deal damage.

If a paladin avoids damage with Divine Shield, Eye for an Eye will not react.

Fixed stacking of paladin auras so they overlap, but only the best aura in a given category is in effect.

Priest

All racial priest spell replacements have had their training costs reduced.

Prayer of Fortitude - Range and area of effect increased.

Holy Fire - Is now available to all priests, starting at level 20.

Mind Soothe - Is now instant cast.

Shadowform - Now reduces all physical damage taken (melee and ranged), as the tooltip suggests.

Feedback (Human) - Redesigned. The priest surrounds himself with anti-magic energy. Any successful spell cast against the priest will burn mana from the attacker and cause Shadow damage.

Elune’s Grace (Night Elf) - Now also increases chance to dodge. Ranged damage reduction increased, duration decreased, mana cost decreased, now has a cooldown.

Shadowguard (Troll) - Is now instant cast. Updated tooltip to reflect that damage caused by Shadowguard causes no threat. This was previously the case, but was undocumented.

Inner Fire - Redesigned. Now increases armor by a significant amount but has 20 charges. Each melee or ranged damage hit will remove a charge. Lasts 10 minutes, mana cost increased.

Desperate Prayer (Dwarf/Human) - Cooldown reduced.

Touch of Weakness (Undead) - Now a 10 min. buff on the caster that is triggered when they are struck in melee. The effect is otherwise the same. Mana cost decreased substantially.

Hex of Weakness (Troll) - Now also applies a -20% healing modifier in addition to its normal effect. The healing debuff does not stack with the warrior’s Mortal Strike ability, although the damage penalty now stacks with either Touch of Weakness or Curse of Weakness. Mana cost decreased substantially.

Starshards (Night Elf) - This spell now works like Curse of Agony, with lower initial damage which increases as the duration continues. Mana cost dropped approximately 30% on all ranks. Ranks 1 and 2 increased to 6 second duration. Damage increased approximately 17%.

Lesser Heal - Mana cost dropped approximately 9%.

Heal - Ranks 2, 3, and 4, cast time reduced to 3 seconds. Rank 1 mana cost dropped approximately 9%. Rank 2, 3, and 4 the healing amount has been reduced to generate the same amount of healing per cast time as before the cast time was reduced. Rank 2, 3, and 4, the mana cost was reduced to cost approximately 9% less mana per point of healing generated. The net effect on all ranks is that the healing per mana is 10% higher, the cast time is limited to 3 seconds, and the healing per second is unchanged. Note that spells with less than 3.5 second cast time will not receive the full bonus from plus healing items.

Greater Heal - Cast time reduced to 3 seconds. Healing and Mana cost reduced so that the healing per second is unchanged, but the healing per mana is increased approximately 10%. Note that spells with less than 3.5 second cast time will not receive the full bonus from plus healing items.

Vampiric Embrace - Damage resisted by the target will no longer be counted as damage caused for the purposes of the healing from this ability.

Power Word: Shield - This spell will now get a small bonus from items and effects which increase your healing.

Holy Nova - Self cooldown on this spell removed. Mana cost increased.

Devouring Plague - No longer keeps players in combat for its duration.

Bowlow-bloodhoof · October 6, 2019, 1:52am

Ok Mr. Pro

Enlighten us.
Explain how Ping works.

Swamper-bloodfang · October 6, 2019, 1:53am

Man this is some big brained stuff Jag lol

Bowlow-bloodhoof · October 6, 2019, 1:54am

tek.no/artikler/adsl-guide/15239/5

Our providers back in 2005

Vinzora-draenor · October 6, 2019, 1:54am

If it was possible for fresh 60s to clear MC in quest greens then why did no one do it in 2005? Are you arguing that the top 1% of gamers in 2005 couldn’t compare to the average gamer in 2019?

Jagarde-outland · October 6, 2019, 1:58am

Paying good money doesn’t mean you have za best internet speed or that you have any clue about how internet speed works. Right this comment in here, proof’s exactly my point!

Seems someone has finally made you to understand why (if you really had) 30ms back in the days.

Finally, you learned something new today

Kvalel-argent-dawn · October 6, 2019, 2:01am

Alright so to prove a point I will now go through each of the paladin changes (which is the class I raid on) and tell you how completely irelevant all of these are:

Not even a buff, not sure why you bothered to include it.

Never use it in a raid.

Prot pallys? Do not make me laugh.

You barely use it in raids since its range is MINISCULE. You mostly spam flash.

Prot pallys. Lol.

Ret pallys. Lol

Not a buff.

Lol ret pallys.

These have one HOUR cds. This is as close as you can get to a buff on some very situational spells.

Prot pallys. Lol.

THE GAME IS BROKEN. TIME TO PACK IT UP.

Still costs a ton and as such you barely use it at bosses.

Oh boy. Such a buff. I dance with joy.

Huge buff pallys op. Rags dead.

That’s not a buff.

Not a buff.

So where are these game breaking changes? The only BARELY relevant one is the priest heal mana reduction which sure is a buff but not even close to breaking the raid tier especially when paladins are and always were way more efficient healers than priests and can go way longer.

Bowlow-bloodhoof · October 6, 2019, 2:01am

When your sitting on 10/15 Dowload/Upload from servers in your neighbour Country and then pretty good servers in France. Yes paying good money for stable connection with good download/upload is important you mongrel.

I don’t know, I think you don’t know how and what Ping/MS is ( clue: it’s the same thing ) All you do is tell us we don’t know what we are talking about and keep telling us how Pro you are on the subject.

Sorry Mr. Duche. It’s past your bedtime and it’s time to brush your teeth.

Vinzora-draenor · October 6, 2019, 2:03am

So everyone agrees that all the changes to the game mean that MC was EASIER in 1.12 than it was in 1.4, the only difference is that you say it’s a tiny difference while we say it’s a massive difference. Either way, it means that the content should be tuned for the current patch.