9.05 valor system is a giant waste of time

But it did exist in BC and it worked as a support system for those not graced by the RNG gods.

Just make each piece expensive so it would take you 2-3 weeks of valor farming to get one piece of gear. RNG is just not fair for some people and it just screws them over week by week.

Of course it won’t help. I did an analysis in this thread https://eu.forums.blizzard.com/en/wow/t/the-average-loot-rate-is-okay-but-the-unlucky-can-suffer-horribly/229786

Basically you need to run 60 dungeons to get a single item that you need with 95% probability (assuming you need one item from each dungeon).

Valor should be used to purchase the gear, not upgrade it.

i feel like this is just an alt catchup mechanic and a system you are way more likely to use when 9.1 hits.

I still stand by my point that this system shouldn’t reward you with mythic level gear because +15s are fairly easy to time so it has all my support.

Johny needs to time +15, not +18.

They could just put it at 18s or 20s for 226ilv.

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Nah i agree with ion’s thinking, something that is infinitely repeatable shouldn’t give you the highest possible gear

Valor points are capped

What about PVP gear? Isn’t PVP infinitely repeatable?

Experience so far as casual:

1200 Valor farmed.(Same dungeon)
3 useless Items
0 Item I need

I just stopped at this point out of disappointment and feeling unrewarded. What do I do with this B**** point if I have nothing to spend on… It’s a failed system from the start when there is literally a stupid low chance to get loot in the first place. Thanks for nothing

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M+ is dying and no update (valor, loot, etc.) can save it.

M+ has way more problem than just loot. The toxic community, MDI, RIO, etc. just made M+ worse and worse. And it will never return to its former popularity.

This endgame form has been exactly the same for 3 expansions. It is time for it to change or die out.

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Yes especially MDI who got the AoE nerfed because of a gameplay that a super tiny minority would engage in

not some people

it how majority of players play WoW

it has been like this for years.

and because blizzard neglected then this expansion they all left.

thus you see almost 70% drop off in m+ participation ratio since SL launch .

for any company this would be catastrophic numbers.

but aparently Ion dont care. after all thats not the audience he is aiming game at.

its worse then that

  • you cannot upgrade raid gear
  • you cannot upgrade callings gear
  • you cannot upgrade WB gear
  • you cannot upgrade gear from weekly quest
  • you cannot upgrade gear from GV

i mean who in blizzard thought implementing this was a good idea

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you mean that FF14 which got almost 1,5 mln additional active accounts since launch of SL .

instead loosing 60% of their playerbase like wow

ye im sure their players are devastated about deterministic gearing.

It have nothing to do with gearing.

And qhat would be point doing mythic raiding if i can get same gear by doing easyer content?

oh boy just stop to pretend that mythic raiding is harder then +18… they are mostly equal. I don’t include the final 3 bosses…

This comment here says it all lol…

This exp once again is a rushed release…

God knows what next tier will bring…

2nd lego?
More renown levels? The full system feels like its finished already and they havent planned for it to be a full expansion thing???

We have 3 soulbinds right now… adding more is a balancing nightmare… so we can only expect worse balance or % boosts only…

The dungeons are horrible this expansion… even to bfa dungeons they are so bad. Can you really say youll running these again and again throughout the exp? Im sick of every dungeon already.

These dungeons are made around m+ timers instead of being fun. Look at vanilla dungeons in comparison even they are more fun.

This system right now is useless yes.
When you look at this from a diff perspective you will understand that next season everyone gear is going to reset so there you go you will farm everything again and again and valor will help you from the start
I like this cause you actually need to play the game to have Gear and progress your character
and i REPEAT once again … THIS system right now is useless cause everybody already farmed gear so it’s bad feeling doing this again but wait till next season and you will be happy for this system

My valor is just sitting there as I don’t do mythics. I wish you could buy gear for alts with it from a vendor.