The Great Vault or what was the weekly chest during BFA. There is nothing great about it – it’s a complete failure and a fiasko.
Every week we march patiently to Oribos to discover what item we have been assigned for hanging out in Dungeons or Raids or PVP. Only to find out that we got a similar item (for the same slot) the week before or the EXACT same item that was given to us 3 or 4 weeks before. Or in a total of 5 weeks, the same slot item was given to me 3 times. And what about the 3-4 items ACTUALLY needed? Nope, those were never given and possibly never will be in the whole upgrade. I guess it’s Blizzard’s way of saying, wait for the upgrade, to try again, 1 year from now dudes…
This system is a complete failure. It’s part of the reason I hate Shadowlands and BFA was just as bad. I don’t wanna get a 207 item when I’m doing a mythic 11 to 14 or 210 at level 15. I wanna get the loot that should have been coming to me from that boss just as if and when I’m doing a mythic without using a key that each boss gives loot. I don’t want to wait for a weekly repeat disaster loot at the Great Vault. Or having to do 4 dungeons at high level to get an extra item, the same again as before. OR do 10 dungeons in a week??? What a time wasted disaster.
Grinding valor is another fiasco that Shadowlands introduced, to alleviate the situation, since by grinding valor you can upgrade items. As if grinding Anima, Stygia, Grateful offerings, medallions, honor, conquest, and so on and on and on is not enough. As I said in another article, Grindlands not Shadowlands.
But wait, you can only upgrade an item up to 213 IF AND ONLY IF you get all dungeons at +10 in time! AND if you wanna upgrade to 220 you need to get all dungeons at +15 in time! Do you want to upgrade an item at to 223 or 226?? Guess what, you can’t. Wait for the 0,0001% chance at the Failure Vault.
I’d much rather grind a specific dungeon if I know that I have a 1% chance to get that specific bow or sword at the level of my effort than having a never-chance at the FAILURE Vault
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The most infuriating thing is the pseudo code to prevent such terrible loot could be drafted in literally 5, 10 minutes tops, and the real system honestly not much longer. It has to be intentional, there is no way they want the vault to always be rewarding and leave it in the current state.
9 potential options and yet somehow all the sames issues we had with BFA remain.
Ontop of all the issues the vault is the reason why there are fewer loot drops.
Vendors. That’s all we need. So damn tired of this carrot on string design.
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Valor is there to fill in the gaps, not to “grind upgrades”. I’m not sure how this isn’t abundantly clear to people.
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Honestly man, if you can’t gear up from the vault over this much time, I have no idea what you are doing. I have this rogue in 225, a DK in 222, and a paladin in 217, and I barely played with the dk and the pala in the last month.
Yes you have to put in the effort, but why should it come easy?
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It’s not about the effort. I’m a person who loves a good grind. I had weeks of 10x m+ clears
Still I kept getting trash and trash
It’s NOT about the effort, it’s about lack of agency in grinding my own gear. Instanced content gives me nothing because vault exists, yet vault is completely horrible week after week
This is the most dumb way to design gearing, and it’s made completely to cater to casual players who play a dungeon a week and do a raid log. For people who want to spend time and grind, we got shafted
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Vault has given me lots of good stuff, tho also lots of bad stuff.
Many ups and downs.
I prefer to have more options tho, since a few times the “Better” item has been in slot 2 or 3.
If you ask me, Vault should be deleted from the game.
Make content drop stuff for your character like it once used to be.
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Pvp has to grind a currency to upgrade their gear, raid is on a weekly lockout for gear. If dungeons gave a chance of getting max ilvl loot it’d be extremely unbalanced compared to the other two options, albeit the current system isn’t optimal I still prefer the great vault over the chest we had in BFA where you only got one loot piece. Alongside that, you have the same system in bfa if you choose to, just do one +15 a week and you get one item at max ilvl.
I’m not sure why the great vault would be worse than it was in previous xpacs since it’s the same only people who play more have a higher chance of getting an upgrade.
I do however feel like +15’s should give 216 pieces of gear given how low the drop rate of loot is. 216 is nowhere near the max ilvl but it’s better than HC raid which imo M15 should be.
I do like the valor system personally, it’s a bad luck protection.
i been doing 10 m+ runs every week, given up lately of course as most of the people and could not get a 226 weapon, also it did not drop from mythic bosses
now what im doing wrong and definitely valor is not filling that gap
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I mean let’s be fair it was a replacement of the weekly chest and it happened often enough that for weeks on end (more then 9) you’d get no upgrade from the weekly chest
In 8.3 I only got 1 whole item I could use over the whole patch (granted we had corruption RNG to deal with) so based on that I don’t find it suprising at all that even with 9 options, you can still go weeks without seeing upgrades from it.
The problem that the weekly vault had, being completely RNG with little method to control the outcome, has simply been replicated to the great vault
You guys are aware that vault has to be completely RNG, otherwise you would gear up far before the patch ends
It is fundamentally flawed design that has to be deleted from the game
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Until they adjusted loot drops and gave us valor, I have mostly geared via the vault. The vault is a vast improvement on on the weekly chest. I get a choice now. At this stage it’s hard ro get upgrades because there are so few slots left that aren’t 226.
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The great vault > Weekly chest.
Sure the great vault has flaws, but it’s one step onward.
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My only wish for the vault would be adding conduits to it. You get 1 loot, 1 conduit and your key.
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I would prefer to choose an item from a workable selection (over) getting only one RNG piece a week any day.
Is it perfect? No - but you’ll find the bulk of complaints come from those who are likely looking for a specific few things and are in a position where, yes, copies will happen due to being partially or mostly geared.
For example, the only slot I need to improve is my belt - assuming you’re happy with a soft-cap of 220-226 - and this has remained the same for over a month. Hasn’t changed the fact that vault + constant keys have filled every other slot, with valor as a means to push BiS items to 220 at the very least.
By comparison, BFA was even more soul-crushing, even with the drop rate being slightly higher.
Vault is a great system, it is 20 times better then weakly chest back in the days, you can actualy choose from 3 items if you do 10 dungeons/other content equivalent. There is still some rng but it is fine, even if you are crazy unlucky and get useless items somehow you can get 750 stygia atleast to upgrade conduits/ buy sockets.
My only complaint about the vault is on the amount of stygia. 750 is way too low considering we forfeit the item. 7500 would make more sense.
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Yeah the vault and similar stuff must be removed. Highest gear should come only from mythic raid and high end pvp.
The Thing is…
I dont know…
On my main, Rabies the Magnificent.
I got an upgrade from the Great vault almost every week for two months, after that i was fininshed
Then again… on an Alt. Athiran the Mad, a Demonhunter. I joined a group of friends on an Alt run, Got an heroic Chest, got the same chest from the vault, The same chest from the weekly 4 Mythic quest reward AND the same chest from the next raid.
Its RNG and bad luck
atleast you got stygia
I believe there would be less complains if dungeon end chest have 1 item drop only but scaled with the dungeon: +10 = 215, +15 = 220, +20 = 226…
Spammable dungeons, high RNG loot… HIGH RNG person receiving loot, would make this system grindable but hard to get.
Remove that roulette machine in Oribos.