A new low in M+

[Uda-uldum]

@Dramuir-nethergarde-keep

Dont mince my words. Dont chew them up and spit them out wrongly to suit your own needs.

Because two seconds later you contradict yourself and accepted my point. Which you, funny enough here, seem to back track on once again.

I never made any of thsoe claims you seem on think i did. Sayign one thing in one thread and then another entirely different thing in another thread is affectign your credibility

You talk about back track again and again. But you failed to mention what came next.

I told you “I wont argue with that” because starting to talk about the tiny tiny details of RShaman healing vs. RDruid healing is pointless.

YES, if you stack 3/4 modifiers together you can create a massive Chain Heal with High Tide. The issue is that you cant choose WHEN you do it. You get high tide maybe once or twice per boss fight. So you cant “magically heal with 2 buttons”. You have to track mana consuption with high tide and plan your CDs accordingly.

And let me remind you for just a second that you get High Tide when you have consumed roughly 50% of your mana bar. If you go crazy with heals you will get a ton of High Tides for sure, but you will also go OOM when the boss is still at 70% HP… NOT a good strategy.

What you want is to use as few High Tides as possible and be mana efficient with Riptide, Healing Surge and Healing Rain. And have Chain Heal and Ancestral Awakening assist a bit in the AoE department.

Because the funny thing is that with out those modifiers, Chain Heal is absolutely garbage. You need like 12 casts to heal what your 12 dots do. Except that you dont get to cast 12 Chain Heals before going OOM… Unlike you.

You also have PWave as a big AoE heal. But again, you need atleast 5 globals to riptide the whole party. Then you need to fish for modifiers like Ondulation to buff Healing Wave. And THEN maybe you get a mediocre cleave.

You also have Cloudburst totem as a large AoE heal. But you have to charge it. So to do the healing you want, remember that its 40% (if you pick totemic) of what you healed 10s earlier. So its a TON of mana and overhealing to begin with.

So I stand with my assessment of those abilities. You cant just Yolo them and have them on demand. And its 100% not “press 2 buttons and magically heal anything” situation.

@Dramuir-nethergarde-keep

made a shammy and played the same dungeons with the same gear levels. I am speaking in terms of personal experience and not some hyperbole.

It means that this thing that you did, you got your shaman and played him incorrectly. You went OOM after every pack, and the moment you play somewhat difficult keys (8 and above) you will see you dont have the mana, or the HPS to heal through mechanics. Because you are just sitting there expecting Chain Heal to do magic when it wont.

And then… here is the magical part of this whole story: What comes next to your quote…

@Uda-uldum

That 1 button you say heals the same as you in 12 globals ? I wont argue with that.

What I will argue is that we had that button in DF too. An expansion where 1/2 of it RDruids were meta with their 12 globals.

So… what is your point again here ? If we are so OP now. Why weren’t we OP in DF ?

We had ALL that in DF. What happened ? Why is it that with the SAME buttons we are OP now, but werent OP for 1 whole expansion ? Tell me why !