A new low in M+

Yes, ofc there are a lot of players doing that. Just the statistics shows the M+ run numbers are extremely low considering sub numbers (1 run/month for each sub on average). M+ community is the absolute minority of WoW player base.

I donā€™t like M+ this season so I stopped doing it.

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I thought you were implying weā€™d get NPC/bot healers to fill in the blank. More similar to follower dungeon NPCs. :smiling_face:
I donā€™t want to replace ā€œhorribleā€ players with other ā€œhorribleā€ players

Yesā€¦ :smiling_face_with_tear: :broken_heart:
The worst part is those that barely use their toolkit, or lusts. dies inside

Your asesment is still garbage.

(1) The 10% or 1% is a made up number. For the reasons I already explained.
(2) Dead means that a season begins and nobody plays it. THAT is dead. It dosent mean that a season begins, everyone plays it and people slowly stop playing as their goals are met.

It has been like that in PvP, in Raids, in WQā€¦ I meanā€¦ Think about it. There are people that do the quests, see the story, and then quit playing. Does it mean wow is dead ? Its not !

So M+ is definitely not dead. In DF the 1st weeks you got 2M weekly dungeon clears. And as the season progressed that number stabilized to 500k weekly dungeon clears. That is very much alive.

And what I find most idiotic from your ā€œM+ is deadā€ is that it comes from someone that dosent play M+, OR, is interested in playing M+ at all. So you got this narrative to try and justify some hidden opinion of yours. Which is hipocritical and moronic.

If on the other hand it came from me, who does engage in the M+ scene and I sad: Guys, there is like 5 keys posted on a Saturday afternoon and I got nobody to play withā€¦ THEN you could argue M+ is dead. But that is OBVIOUSLY not the case.

Yeahā€¦ FOTM rerollers are stupid.

Especially because they dont understand why RShaman is so good this season. Its not because we are OP HPS wise (like HPala was in S2 Exodia)ā€¦ Its because we can dispel curses and things.

So you still have to heal. Still have to press buttons. Just like any other healer, and MORE because we are 3rd in raw HPS.

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You can argue against numbers and statistics all you want to. It doesnā€™t change the fact that M+ is dead content.

You base your assessment on said statistics. I proved your massive bias in those statistics, therefore your statement ā€œM+ is dead contentā€ goes from fact to opinion.

And the opinion of someone that dosent engage in M+ is worthless.

That is quite funny. :joy:
Statistics clearly shows majority of wow player base donā€™t engage in M+.
So your opinion as minority is worthless.

The majority dosent engage in PvP.

The majority dosent engage in Raids

The majority dosent engage in Delves.

So there is no ā€œmajorityā€ anywhere.

Your point is ? That M+ is dead ? Well then so is everything else then.

What your statistics show is that there is a portion of the playerbase (not the majority) that engages in M+ CONSISTENTLY. And that there is no majority that CONSISTENTLY engages in 1 single form of content. Most engage in a mixture of thingsā€¦

But that is FAAAAAR from ā€œdeadā€.

It is STILL much more valuable than the opinion of someone that dosent even engage in said content. So please be quiet and let the adults talkā€¦

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I think easier seasons have shown quite a lot of engagement and from a more broad audience? I donā€™t M+, I have no horse in this race but I think if they ease it up a bit, more people will enjoy it again.

Either way you know, I love archaeology and would love updates for that. And I doubt my fellow passionate archeologists and me come even close to 10% :wink: Not everything needs to appeal to everyone.

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I just like the 15 sec death time to be removed and never put back or other affix in that spot. If they like to keep it move it to +11 and up keys.

they should also move mythic gear in vault down to +8 keys like in DF

The 2 can coexists you know. Just like 2v2, 3v3 and solo que.

Same could go to m+. One for premades, one for the solo ones.

They already coexist. You got Heroic dungeons in a quew as you guys wanted. And the reason its Heroic and not M+ is because when the responsibility of grouping people is in the hands of Blizzard, they have no choice than to nerf the content.

Why ? Well for starters because the quality of the people is hap hazard. And second, you STILL have a tank/healer shortage and still wait. And its HEROIC.

And all this happens because PvE is not equal to PvP.

Meanwhile in the PUGs Iā€™m getting started the best and brightest humans take a break from being heart surgeon millionare astronaut cowboys, theyā€™re too good for automated queues:

https:// imgur.com/Ah3AkiF

We call that äø€ę’ƒ here. ā€œOne shotā€.

The only way I would chose to queue as tank in solo m plus would be if it gave me good cosmetic rewards.
ā€¦But theyā€™d have to be really good.

Weak troll attempt.

0/10.

Personally i dont have problem with current system. Im on the side where more option is better.

Im not a troll. Im serious. Putting a plate of dung in the buffet dosent add more ā€œoptionsā€. It simply adds a plate of dung to an otherwise tasty buffet.

The reasons I say this is because this is the 3rd time people are asking for this. And we will get the same results a 3rd time.

  • 1st time it was in WotlK when LFG was actually put in place. It started out challenging. People complained. And it devolved into what you see today.

  • 2nd time it was in MoP (if I remember correctly) with LFR. It started out challenging. People complained. And it devolved into what you see today.

  • 3rd timeā€¦ WW ? With M+ ? Guess what will happen next ?

  • And im not counting Solo Shuffle into this. Because its PvP. But that also turned out to be a pile of dung that fixed none of the problems that PvP had ā€¦

Because doing the same thing over and over again expecting different results is the definition of insanity.

That will devalue it honestly, and then there will be no point to run 9 and 10 keys .

I guess whatever the plan was, itā€™s making me seriously consider unsubbing and coming back for season 2. I feel like I should be having fun doing m+ and this is the first season Iā€™m not. Maybe just need a break, idk

I can only assume you mean me with that comment.

Let me remind you what you said.

Dont mince my words. Dont chew them up and spit them out wrongly to suit your own needs.

Because two seconds later you contradict yourself and accepted my point. Which you, funny enough here, seem to back track on once again.

I never made any of thsoe claims you seem on think i did. Sayign one thing in one thread and then another entirely different thing in another thread is affectign your credibility