A new low in M+

I dont have an Aug. And unless someone from my party decides to rerol, I am happy not to have one.

I dislike Aug deeply. And the only thing that would allow me to tolerate it is if one of my friends chooses to play it.

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As so many others, but why? What’s there to dislike about their rather good support and, depending on the other two DPS, amazing pewpew?

Is it because it’s a support class?

Aug seems to be only worth taking in high keys, and in low keys they’re just a bad dps.

No. Because Aug is a force multiplier. But not all forces are multiplied equally.

I can give multiple examples:

  • Obvious example #1: Its raid buff (reducing CD of mobility spells). The value of this raid buff depends on the CD of such mobility. For example, a 15s CD blink will gain much more value than a 1.5s CD of another mobility spell.

  • Not so obvious example #2: If a DPS class has its CDs align properly with the Aug’s CDs is when you see value in Aug. Which means two things (A) unless you play with certain classes, having an Aug is a net loss across all levels. And (B) it requires a level of coordination that is simply not there in “non-pro” levels. So its a class that in lower tiers is absolute garbage and in higher tiers its super valuable. Much more than any other spec.

Basically, the TLDR of all of this is that its no coincidence that when you bring an Aug you also bring a Mage. Because if you don’t its an overall net loss. And to give a chance for other specs to shine (or to bring value to a group with out a mage) you need to nerf the Mage considerably. Because if a mage did “normal DPS” on par with other DPS it would be totally busted with an Aug in its comp. Which has been the case since S2 of DF.

And additionally, I find it ridiculous that to heal a dungeon I need the “help” of a support class. As if im not a healer. Just 80% of one.

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I think because there’s only 1. You can’t remove the aug from the group and have an alternative. It is since the aug is added to the game. It is unique and with what it adds (survivability, for the tank, for the whole group and hps increases) it is required.

most of times (and im not saying its in this case ) its because the 2 other dps dont pew pew as well as they should.

the main problem with aug is that multiplication of near to zero is still near to zero :slight_smile: and i know zero is to much - but if you multiplicate low dps - you will still end up with low dps.

that why most fo times in low keys augs just dont work while in mid / high keys are are just amazing - letting you do much more aggresive trash pulls and mitigate dmg on bosses.

As I said. Its WAY more complicated than that.

  • Not every class can “pew pew” in a way that synergizes with Aug.
  • Not every group can pull off the coordination required to synergize properly with an Aug.

And that is false. An Aug is a net DPS loss. Bosses will last for longer. Packs will die slower… ect…

And if on top you don’t coordinate your CDs properly, its a doubly bad dps loss. Which literally will brick your key.

The only way to mitigate this problem is by playing ONLY the classes that synergize with an Aug, and ONLY in a coordinated fashion. Everything else is a guaranteed deplete basically.

And if inspite all that, you don’t depleate the key with an Aug, then you would have 2-chested it with a 3rd DPS.

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if you pull pack by pack ? sure.

whole point of having aug is to pull multipacks :slight_smile:

No. Sit and think about what you are saying for a minute.

If you pull a big pack, it would die faster with 3 DDs than with 2 DDs and 1 Aug. Its STILL a net DPS loss. Dosent matter how you look at it.

The question is: Would you survive a big pack or not ? That is the question. There is a trade-off with Aug defensive capabilities vs. duration of the pack. The longer the pack takes to kill, the more lethal it becomes.

And for that tradeoff to make sense, you need 2 very SPECIFIC DDs with large uncapped AoE. That IN ADDITION pair up their CDs with Aug perfectly. For that reason there are plenty of specs that do ridiculous amount of DPS but are not meta IF paired with an Aug.

And I find this absurd.

I watched episode where saurrrrrrron droped from the mountains as a black something and i instantly turn it off :smiley:
what a bad show that was

i`d rather give a birth to a hedgehog than watch rings of power 2

i watched penguin season 1 while tanking and i really liked it !

season 1 RoP put me to sleep i fogot how many chapters i watched :smiley:

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Oh god ! I cringed ! OUCH !

(im writing this analogy down for future use)

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the entire bezos and hes bilion dolar project is an epitome of cringe

amazon should be purged
i`d rather bezos give this money as a raise to workers

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Speaking of cringe, the thing that hurt me the most are Female Custodes from 40k. All this because amazon wants to do a 40k series with female leads.

Which I find moronic to the core. Because there are plenty of female protagonists in 40k. WHY does it need to be a custodes/space marine?

And I hope the success of Darktide and Spacemarine 2 sends a clear message… But I doubt it. Somehow I think they will ruin 40k as well and give Horus Luperal a pair of boobies.

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I watched about 10 minutes of Rings of Power S1, episode 1, and watched Galadriel one-shot a massive cave troll, and that was it for me lol. It was fun watching people like Nerdrotic and HeelsVsBabyface make fun of the show. :stuck_out_tongue:

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you are forgetting about hgher dps from tanks and aug aoe which is not that bad in itself 0 sure st is horrible but aug aoe especialy burst one is ok on big pulls

such troll almost killed frodo and felowship had hard time to kill it in lotr

why Galadriela even took these elfs with her
if she can just 1 shot such beast ? :smiley:

no wonder they rioted, and king wanted to banish her out of the CONTINENT
… for stupidity. but she swimmed thru ocean llike 100kilometers
daaamn shes strong woman

And didn’t recognise Sauron lol

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Aug AoE is “not that bad” but worse than the burst AoE a Ret paladin can do (just to name 1 DD, but its also true for WW monks for example which are bottom of the DPS list). And a Ret also does more DPS everywhere else too.

And tank dps… yeah… when DDs are doing 1.6M to 2M overall damage that extra 100k to 200k from the tank (0.1M or 0.2M) is really gonna make or break the DPS.

Aug is a DPS loss. No matter how you look at it.

And consider for a moment that Aug was NOT a DPS loss. Where not only does it bring the same DPS as a regular DPS, but it ALSO buffs healing and tanking by a significant amount. It would be meta beyond meta. OP beyond OP, THE most OP thing in existence. Which is what happened in S2 of DF if you remember correctly.

But still. Aug serves a purpose in high keys. I am by no means saying that every single top tier group is stupid.

What I am saying is that I find it ridiculous that you need an Aug to buff the tank and the healer in high keys. As if tanks and healers were just 80% as powerful as they should. IMO its demeaning.

What blizzard should have done 3 seasons ago is to limit the Aug buffs to the DDs ONLY. And all the utility it brings (Zephir for example) take it to the class tree so that Dev and Pres can get a piece of the action too.

what tanks are you playing with that do 200k overall lol. Most tanks can manage like 600k+ lol, prot pala can do 900k+