Most augmentation evokers pugging are nowhere close to good enough to justify taking them.
They’re more of a liability to the group rather than asset.
Like a NW I was going to do earlier… Aug evoker doing less DPS than me as the healer. He died on the last boss when he got sent down because he couldn’t kill the mob. Then I got sent down because blizzard black magic and we wiped and people left.
That’s an interesting take. I think a good evoker will make due even without good communication but I also think there are alot of bad evokers.
Though to me it sounds like the spec is in need of changes if this is the current situation.
That is funny.
I think Aug, or a support spec is really difficult to tune. Especially when it is supposed to help everyone. Tank more survivablilty, healer more healing and the other dps more dps. How do you tune that? When aug got in the game in DF season 2 it was so OP that you ‘couldnt’ play without one. Now at least it is supposed to buff the tank and heal, but it comes at the cost of significant dps. In coordinated groups. So for randoms on low keys without coordination they basically contribute nothing. Those groups rely on muscle-blasting pulls since they can’t coordinate interrupts and cc’s.
The pro groups as well. Courtesy of the spell quew changes to mobs.
I would just remove the ability for Aug to buff healers and tanks. Make it impossible.
And the scales it puts on the tank, put it in line with Earth Shield for example (of a DPS shaman, not the upgraded healer one). And the mana return it does make it equivalent to the Shaman one (or other DPS specs that also return mana).
Now you can balance Aug appropriately so it does equivalent DPS to every other DPS.
DONE.
But 4 seasons of this nonesense is just absurd at this point. When will Blizzard simply admit their mistake ? Do we need 10 MDI in a row with Aug dominance for them to see the truth or what?
Yes, but they are able to coordinate their stuns and don’t overlap, especially not with interrupts 
For sure. But there are simply not enough stuns and kicks to deal with everything.
Remember that on a +15 the random “shadow bolts” start to 1-shot. Or very close to it.
Which I find hilarious. They said they wanted to change the 1-shot meta of DF. They gave us a ridiculous 60% HP so were all in the millions.
And yet… here we are. One step forward, 2 steps backwards.
What i mean is in lower groups the pull stays up for the same amount of time, but more of those bolts will go through. Which in the end will kill more players than coordinated groups knowing which cast isn’t getting stopped so they can deal with it (defensive/ healthpot/eternal). In random groups people smash their aoe-stun all the same time and the mobs are stun immune for the whole pull. Augs are really good in contributing for that too 
How would you like me to prove it
that’s a question you shouldn’t even had to ask, just link your raider .io profile or maybe to your armory profile?
easy enough right?
considering how meta distribution is atm ? they are doing just fine how they are now 
true - but trash is almost never the problem preventing you from completing the dungeons.
its nearly always bosses.
and smoothed out boss dmg helps much more - after all dead dps does 0 dps. .
thats hwy people just rather just take aug.
By posting with your retail main. Instead of hiding behind some level 60 alt.
Aug is not fine.
Its only really usefull in super high keys. In lower keys you might as well take a carry and get payed for your troubles.
That is not a good spot for a spec to be in. Plus PEvoker and Dev are in the dust-bin because of Aug.
Surely this depends on how good the Aug is, if I take a healer who does 0 hps, or a DPS that does 0 DPS, they’re also adding little value
Aug is by design little value. Unless super coordinated and needed for survival on highest keys. The best aug in the world is ‘useless’ in a <12 key. It provides way way way less than any other normal dps spec.
That is not a good comparison. Nor are you getting the point.
Because a healer does not need to coordinate itself with other players to heal things. The execution of the healer’s rotation depends 100% on the healer’s performance. Same goes for the DPS and the Tank.
Not the Aug. His performance does not depend on his ability to execute his rotation. Because even if he does it perfectly, if its not coordinated with other players it will be garbage.
And this is with out considering deff CDs and kicks. Because all 5 players (Aug included) have to do it.
clearly majority of playerbase disagree with you but sure you know best
The majority of the playerbase doesn’t get past M+7, who cares what they think (about this).
Probably that vast majority cares.
It dosent matter what they think. Numbers are numbers, and the performance of Aug (DPS wise) is very well documented.
Now. If you claim that the majority of the playerbase thinks that ignoring facts and following the 0.1% meta is the way to go, even if it decreases their performance … then… you are claiming that the majority are stupid meta-chasers.
But that is not a surprise is it ?