A lot of people are fed up of wasting two hours trying to get world buffs for each raid as any good guilds have this as a requirement.
There is evidently a rapidly evolving toxicity in the form of “world buff griefing”.
Why do blizzard not just make so so any buffs are cleansed when enter a raid instance ? They’ve made changes to the lotus spawns to improve the game experience so why not with this?
Because it’s part of the vanilla experience, there’s nothing wrong with it. If you are fed up with it being a requirament to raid, then join another guild. Raids are easily doable without them. The whole world buff thing is all about min-maxing.
Reroll or Transfer to PVE servers. Easy solution.
You(and other PVP realmers) were killing lowbies when they were leveling and calling that “World PVP” and “True Vanilla Experience”, now want to preserve raid buffs to finish Molten Core a bit faster? 
That’s hypocrisy.
Increased lotus spawns were not part of the vanilla experience.
To be fair neither were fully world buffed raids or min maxed raid groups.
You and the rest of the same drab robotic responders are getting very boring with this. Classic isn’t about the classic experience anymore, it’s about an alternative game to retail. Most players I have played with go to it “because retail sucks” not because they want to re experience classic.
They increased lotus spawns because they realised that the server populations are 4 times bigger than it was back in vanilla, hence they needed to rework it, not to mention the Lotus maffia and the bots farming it nonstop making it almost impossible to get for normal players (They were selling it for 10 eu/piece and insane amonut of gold, 1 lotus shouldnt cost half of your epic mount).
You are wrong, they were fully world buffed raids back in the day, and yes, they did min-maxing aswell, especially for AQ and Naxx.
Classic is about being able to play vanilla as it was back in the day, and the whole goal is to make it as close to it as it was back in 2004. Quality life changes are needed (black lotus), world buff removal isnt one of them.
Hmm, I don’t think you were ever part of the top guilds in classic, we never had a raid where everyone was flasked and fully raid buffed.
There are plenty of clips around still. You may have gotten dragonslayer and DM buffs yes. UBRS runs when we progressed on certain bosses and other appropriate resist buffs.
The only time I can remember everyone flasking is when we progressed bosses like princess where everyone needed high resists or HP pools but that wasn’t every single week, twice a week.
The meta for the game is totally different, the competition comes from speed runs, not progress. The culture or the game is totally different.
Any argument for this been a true reflection of classic is just invalid and troll like at the moment as anyone who actually played the real classic will tell you this is nothing like it.
Maybe you were not in any actual big guild.
I played in the server with Inner Sanctum and they were one of the few that went with 2/3 lines of buffs in raids.
I came across from Everquest with Death and Taxes actually, so take your who guild and be quiet kid.
Man if you don’t even know who Inner Sanctum were at that time you really have no clue, they were the top 1/2 EU in Vanilla.
Also it wasn’t my guild, I’ve been mostly doing PvP and some soft core raiding at that time.
Claiming to know bigs guilds and not knowing Death and Tax’s haha, enough said.
Did I say anything about your guilds? You were the one trash talking.
Also coming from a guy with blue logs in a casual guild. I don’t see how your opinion can be reflective of the burn out of hardcore players. But I’ll leave it at that
Oh wow keep the personal attacks up. You had no arguments for your guild bashing so now you go with strawman.
Got ya, you don’t have anything to support your arguments.
Oh god, Bodiesan was right…
90% of the game is about preparing for raids in vanilla… 10% is about the actual raid. Getting world buffs is part of the preparation. This dedication is what makes the difference between guilds/players. Just cuz you are not dedicated or not orginesed enough to pull it off does not mean that blizzard should remove it. You are talking about being from a big guild, yet you are complaining about wbuff removal.
I arrive twice a week with every world buff and consumable possible.
Billy blue logs calling others casual. My argument was not about the dedication or commitment of players. My point is about helping sustain the player base. Classics biggest challenge is attrition of the player base. I have no issues with the griefing personally, people know if they mess with our guild their raid gets sappered.
But what I do care about is the game been sustainable without just attracting toxic kids who just want to grief.
Secondly the world buff wipe comes into play in TBC anyway so it’s only accelarting it by two phases.
Pvp server is already attracting griefers, they kill lowbies while leveling.
So if killing lowbies is fine, why isn’t world buff removal?
I would disagree with calling it toxicity, and would instead call it HILARIOUS.
A pvp realm is there to make peoples lives miserable.
Opting to play on a realm where you can attack someone during an escort quest, while they are low level, when they have a buff, etc etc
Whilst it would solve the problem in general, at the end of the day it’s a risk/reward situation. Buffs are not mandatory to clear the raid content, and whilst speed clears are the new meta I still don’t think it’s that much of an issue to change it.
I feel that world buffs should carry on being risk/reward on pvp servers. Just in general it’s one of the few things you have to pay attention to if you want to keep them. Is it annoying if you get dispelled? Yes. Is it preventable? Also yes. People also have the option of going to a pve server to circumvent buff dispelling entirely.
Of course this is just my opinion as a casual player, who if/when my buffs get dispelled I just go “meh” and carry on because wpvp is fair game. I know it’s a frustration to more hardcore players.
why do you play on a pvp server then? dispeling is pvp