A way to decrease "queue" time for DPS in mythics

[Farwin-outland]

@Rayzens-stormscale

What’s the solution to the problem?
Ah yes, more dps spots.
Glad you agree.

Nope for you to roll either tank or healer, otherwise you have no ground to complain because you are part of the problem.

I really do be enjoying my 5 seconds queues tho, are you enjoying yours?

[Rayzens-stormscale]

I’m doing wq’s while in queue.

I only wish there’d be an addon to auto-queue me instead of myself having to have the lfg window open sometimes…

[Farwin-outland]

@Rayzens-stormscale

I’m doing wq’s while in queue.

I only wish there’d be an addon to auto-queue me instead of myself having to have the lfg window open sometimes…

A queue ? What is that? I cant even see any because it procs instantly for me, good tank perks eh ?

[Rayzens-stormscale]

Sure i guess? But this is a thread to discuss the solution for dps to have faster queues.
Not for tanks gloating… though i’m gonna queue to bed now, gn.

[Farwin-outland]

@Rayzens-stormscale

Sure i guess? But this is a thread to discuss the solution for dps to have faster queues.
Not for tanks gloating… though i’m gonna queue to bed now, gn.

A few people already explained to you that it wouldnt work, the only solution is to make tanking/healing more appealing and for dps to roll tanks.

If they dont want to do that, then enjoy your wait times

[Altash-twisting-nether]

@Rayzens-stormscale

Well now you have 5 dps instead of 3… effectively 40% more dps (not including heal+ tank dps), the combat time should be the same.

But AOE abilities either hit fewer people, or hit everyone for less.
If someone dies it’s less impactful.
Some fights are designed for 2, 3 or 4 people. Those become significantly easier.
Mana usage will change.

Fight length is not the only factor.
60seconds at 1000HPS is not the same as 60seconds at 500HPS. Nor are dungeon fights engaging for more than 3 DPS.

[anon88663857]

Let me translate my answer to Italian: No

[Skadefryden-turalyon]

No thanks, it is enough with 1 DPS per group pulling mobs ahead of the tank.

[Weffi-kilrogg]

putting in more dps in mythics would se a even higher decline of healers then, it would not work ever, healers and tanks got the worst job there, and putting in one or two more for them to heal would be horrible.

heck would probably be better to lower the group to 4 instead of 5, and you probably se more tanks and healers joining again.

[Dhobban-ragnaros]

@Rayzens-stormscale

Allowing 40% more dps to find groups faster.

I put my key in LFG yesterday with my healer. We had 101 DPS apply, this will not alleviate anything and you won’t see faster queues anyway cause there are most likely hundreds of people above your ilvl in the queue

[Coopslv-aszune]

Yeah, during peak hours I can’t even filter out who to invite to my group because dps just keep applying endlessly, especially to m+ keys like Halls of Atonement and Mists. Maybe 50 dps spots per group would fix it LOL.

[Dhobban-ragnaros]

I had to give lead to our DPS player and just say “Randomly scroll and invite cause there’s no way we can filter through this”

[Rushfel-kul-tiras]

@Rayzens-stormscale

Some want to compete against other players, as a tank you don’t do that.

@Rayzens-stormscale

DPS competing in a certain dungeon all have the same tank and healer as teammates.

@Rayzens-stormscale

tanking is a non-competitive role within the party, same as healing.

You’re the worst kind of player. Players should only compete on a global scale not within your team. You should be competing against the dungeon (and other teams on raider.io if that’s your thing), not against your own team.

There are good players, average players and bad (but want to be good) players who at least try to do the mechanics, interrupt, switch to adds, help the healer save someone if class has healing abilities.

And then there’s you with a tunnel vision who brags that you had the best dps. Of course you will be top dps if you never switch away from dpsing the boss (apart from times when boss becomes immune) and healer manages to keep you alive with all the standing in the crap.

[Ôvô-darkspear]

I think we all know the real issue is the toxic mentality in any kind of pugged content in WoW as soon as something goes wrong.

I do not care about mythic + (it belongs to Diablo 3 to me) but i can understand why tanks and healers only run with friends / guildies. If most players in LFG tool were decent human beings most would gladly go there and tank / heal.

Just my 2 cents.

[Evolixe-draenor]

I think that would only feed the problem in the long run.

The whole reason healers and tanks are so hard to come by in the first place is because we don’t need as many of them as we do of DPS players.

[Bachodk-kazzak]

Option 1: roll a tank or a healer and be a part of the solution instead of part of the problem.

Option 2: join a guild or a community

Option 3: whine endlessly on the forums to redesign the game to cater to you.

[Affaf-defias-brotherhood]

From all the posts you’ve posted that I read, it’s obvious you’ve prolly never healed a day in your life. DPS players are a nightmare, and more often than not are the ones that make mistakes in dungeons/raids and cause an uproar with the fingerpointing when it’s clearly their fault. I’m good with healing a tank and 3 dps, no need for the extra headache and child-sitting tbh.

[Rayzens-stormscale]

@Farwin-outland

A few people already explained to you that it wouldnt work, the only solution is to make tanking/healing more appealing and for dps to roll tanks.

Then they wouldn’t be playing the role they want to play, so you’re just looking into forcing players to play something they don’t enjoy.
If they wanted to tank, they’d just tank.

@Farwin-outland

If they dont want to do that, then enjoy your wait times

I do enjoy them sometimes… it allows me to finish that wq.

@Altash-twisting-nether

But AOE abilities either hit fewer people, or hit everyone for less.
If someone dies it’s less impactful.
Some fights are designed for 2, 3 or 4 people. Those become significantly easier.
Mana usage will change.

Fight length is not the only factor.
60seconds at 1000HPS is not the same as 60seconds at 500HPS. Nor are dungeon fights engaging for more than 3 DPS.

This is where re-balancing comes in. I See that you’re still stuck on the balance part, that’s bound to change with the redesign.

@anon88663857

Let me translate my answer to Italian: No

But… why no?

@Skadefryden-turalyon

No thanks, it is enough with 1 DPS per group pulling mobs ahead of the tank.

The number of dps pulling doesn’t matter… the first one to pull is all that matters.

@Weffi-kilrogg

putting in more dps in mythics would se a even higher decline of healers then, it would not work ever, healers and tanks got the worst job there, and putting in one or two more for them to heal would be horrible.

heck would probably be better to lower the group to 4 instead of 5, and you probably se more tanks and healers joining again.

This is just fear-mongering.

@Dhobban-ragnaros

I put my key in LFG yesterday with my healer. We had 101 DPS apply, this will not alleviate anything and you won’t see faster queues anyway cause there are most likely hundreds of people above your ilvl in the queue

@Coopslv-aszune

Yeah, during peak hours I can’t even filter out who to invite to my group because dps just keep applying endlessly, especially to m+ keys like Halls of Atonement and Mists. Maybe 50 dps spots per group would fix it LOL.

Actually it would. Those 101 dps would go in the next 50 groups that need them as the extra 2 dps, in lfg, if you want %, there would instantly be 40% less, that means 40% more dps would be able to actually play the game instead of playing the “queue”.

@Rushfel-kul-tiras

You’re the worst kind of player. Players should only compete on a global scale not within your team. You should be competing against the dungeon (and other teams on [raider.io](http://raider.io) if that’s your thing), not against your own team.

You don’t know what compete in a team setting means, you’re working together with your team to overcome the challenges while doing what you can to pass them.

@Rushfel-kul-tiras

There are good players, average players and bad (but want to be good) players who at least try to do the mechanics, interrupt, switch to adds, help the healer save someone if class has healing abilities.

I rolled a ret pally, i already save the healer and tank and even the rest of the group plenty of times during my runs.

@Rushfel-kul-tiras

And then there’s you with a tunnel vision who brags that you had the best dps. Of course you will be top dps if you never switch away from dpsing the boss (apart from times when boss becomes immune) and healer manages to keep you alive with all the standing in the crap.

I don’t need to tunnel vision to beat weaklings like you who think only tunnel visioning allows one to stay on top of the meters.

@Ôvô-darkspear

I do not care about mythic + (it belongs to Diablo 3 to me) but i can understand why tanks and healers only run with friends / guildies. If most players in LFG tool were decent human beings most would gladly go there and tank / heal.

And yet there are players who pug. But you’re also acting like only dps can be in the wrong in a dungeon, that’s simply not true.
As a dps, i see 1 tank not knowing how to tank, 1 healer not knowing how to heal, 1 dps not knowing how to dps and another dps not knowing how to dps. If dungeons needed 2 tanks i’d be seeing 1 tank not knowing how to tank, 1 tank not knowing how to tank… etc.

@Evolixe-draenor

I think that would only feed the problem in the long run.

The whole reason healers and tanks are so hard to come by in the first place is because we don’t need as many of them as we do of DPS players.

But this is supply and demand, you up the demand for the dps and the problem is attenuated.
People don’t play more dps than tanks and healers because there is a greater need for dps they play dps because they like to dps.

@Bachodk-kazzak

Option 1: roll a tank or a healer and be a part of the solution instead of part of the problem.

I’m not “part of the problem” i’m playing what role i want to play.

@Bachodk-kazzak

Option 2: join a guild or a community

Doing dungeons with only people you know it’s boring. It’s an mmo, i don’t need a bubble-world(rich coming from a pala, i know).

@Bachodk-kazzak

Option 3: whine endlessly on the forums to redesign the game to cater to you.

A good game adapts to the needs of the players, maybe you need to understand this first and then we can further discuss.

@Affaf-defias-brotherhood

From all the posts you’ve posted that I read, it’s obvious you’ve prolly never healed a day in your life.

I didn’t, i want to dps, not sleep looking at the moving bars.

@Affaf-defias-brotherhood

DPS players are a nightmare, and more often than not are the ones that make mistakes in dungeons/raids and cause an uproar with the fingerpointing when it’s clearly their fault.

Oh please, i’ve seen equal faults with dps as with tanks or healers. To not recognize this and have this mentality that only the dps are to blame for screwing up in a dungeon is really what’s causing this rift.

@Affaf-defias-brotherhood

I’m good with healing a tank and 3 dps, no need for the extra headache and child-sitting tbh.

You see, it’s because you think of it as “child-sitting” means you’re not actually enjoying the role of healing a group. Have you tried to dps or tank? Might be more up your alley.

If you hate healing [and tanking] so much… don’t do it?
I see a lot of masochistic tanks and healers in this thread, it’s amazing!

[Yeinni-argent-dawn]

@Rayzens-stormscale

This “just go healer/tank” stuff is nonsense, if dps wanted to heal/tank, then they’d already be doing that.

If a dps wanted a fast queue they would go tank or healer.

[Bachodk-kazzak]

Instead of accepting the existing solutions to your problem, you want blizz to redesign the game? Idk man, sounds a bit entitled to me.