About Premades!

The thread in question is just some people yelling at eachother about different systems that are mostly not relevant to classic. It’s almost entirely about the effects of “multiqueue” which is not relevant to classic because in classic the retail “multiqueue” is used and your queues for other battlegrounds are paused while you are in a battleground.

It’s also about how those things interact with dodging premades which is not relevant to classic either because that was fixed.

When it comes to the relevant discussion about split premade/solo queue it also seems like plenty of people in that thread think the system that matched premades against eachother is a good idea, so it doesn’t even really fully support your argument. When Borton pointed this out to you, you just said “I ignore that part because reasons, and I already showed you why you are wrong” or something along those lines.

Everyone can review this at https://forum.nostalrius.org/viewtopic.php?f=46&t=30232

Here is where you misrepresent what I’m saying to make it sound like the scary changes-will-lead-to-retail boogyman (which is literally your only argument). It’s not about my memory or anyones memory. It’s about the cold hard fact that in vanilla the vast majority of battlegrounds were pug vs pug. Anyone who played vanilla knows this to be true. Pug games were a huge part of the gameplay experience in vanilla.

It’s not relevant what was fun to me or anyone else, the reality is that pvp in classic looks nothing at all like pvp in vanilla. That is the argument for a change, because any change that brings pvp closer to what it was like in vanilla will make classic a better clone of vanilla. Even if you were to assume the majority of that thread supports your conclusion (they don’t) then it’s still not directly applicable to classic because the technical circumstances are vastly different.

This is yet another example of you misrepresenting the reality. pug battlegrounds aren’t magically solo battlegrounds. Players who play in pugs don’t ignore their team and a pug queue will not turn battlegrounds or this game into a singleplayer game.