About the costs of Consumes

It is you are clueless idiot. Show me the log of at least 1 guild who cleared naxx without consumes. No, not your nonsense assumptions - show me pls the actual log of cleared naxx, or at least loatheb without consumes. Any guild require at least some consumes. Show me pls the guild that dont require coneumes at all, and have cleared naxx.

Gotta love the reasoned and polite debates on this forum.

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The reason i dont farm gold isn’t because of bots its simply time. Im not a kid lile when vanilla first come out, i work 40+ hours a week, have a fiance to spend time with, animals to look after, food shopping, cleaning the list goes on. I dont have time, im not spending my time not raiding farming gold when i grind enough IRL.
And yeh i am anti GDKP. I think its a elitist system that rewards the rich. And if anything
 promotes more gold buying!!
The idea that there will be less bots and gold buyers if we had GDKP. And the donkey that put “GDKP protects the good guys” grow up

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I would really hesitate to call the geared raiders who boost gold buying whales in raids, get paid in bought gold and then spend this “laundered” gold on consumes for their speedruns a “good guys”. At the most charitable interpretation they are morally neutral exploiters of a broken system, but I’d go as far as call them willing participants and part of the problem.

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You again with your fiancee and all. That’s actually pretty slim mate, you forgot to add you have 4 ex-wives and 20 kids and you are the ceo of at least 4 major corporations.

But you have time for various online games
Just look at your lvl 80 draenai
 Nice raid progression btw, you bought an onetime hc boost on retail. Evidently your opinion must be taken seriously.
/s off
You are the prime example goldsellers live off. Maybe you are one of them working 40h/week hmm
 :thinking:

The fact that you can’t or maybe pretend to not understand the simple correlation between more gates for rmt(like gdkp) and more bots means you got some growing up to do yourself.

Actually its pretty valid mate. I get a few hours a evening to play, im not spending that farming gold.

Oh no, you called me out for buying a HC last boss boost, my feelings. Actually again it proves my point of the elitist attitude because in retail you cant get in a HC raid withour “curved”

And how do people who gdkp get the gold in the first place to buy gear? If you think they all farm it you a delusion.

However im glad i hit a nerve with an elitist like yourself :kissing_heart: obviously a single dude living with his mum who can spend all his time farming gold :kissing_heart::kissing_heart:

Wow mate, so nice of you to take the time with a busy schedule like you have for such a fast reply.
Few hours(HOURS?!?) an evening?! Mate! Someone as busy as you are 
maybe you have to get your priorities straight, but we all know you are just a :clown_face:

:joy::joy: haha bro your the one spitting your dummy out at people on the internet who dont have the same opinion/priorities as you.

The best part is instead of defending anything i said you side step it and just come out with insults. You are well and truly triggered lol

You’re resorting to insults as you’re losing the argument.
Try to stay on topic mate even tho we all know how hard it is for you.
First you admit to buying gold

Then you say those who participate in gdkp are elitists

You are quite confused for all your pretending. Stop being a :clown_face: and grow up mate.

Argument to this is playing is absolutely pointless when everything is HR’d. The new “system” is even worse than the old one. This new system has only increased the number of bots and real money trading because nobody has ways to make gold properly now
 GDKP was like you do a job, you get paid, you end up better off. Now you have to go to the world, compete impossibly against the absolutely montrous amount of bots, and then not be able to afford anything anyway.

The game is unplayable now.

I merely made some observations and a educated guess about you personal situation due to your lack of understanding of lifes responsibilities and being a adult.:thinking:

I think you are missing my point.
I use my gold to buy consumes so i can raid. I dont have a bidding war with people over gear. Anniversary’s phases are short and i want a few 60s for TBC.

GDKP whoever has the most gold gets the better gear. SR is left to chance and everyone is equal.

If GDKP is so good why is it banned :thinking:

Well, I cannot disagree with you. You just described a mercenary in wow terminology, and that is indeed a neutral person. Doing his job and getting paid for it.

One of the few people who actually understands.

Most people here are pretending or just really naive.

They incorrectly judged that GDKP was the reason real money trading and bots were so prevalent. That has clearly been proven to be incorrect as there are more bots and more money trading now than ever during GDKP.

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There is a little misunderstanding regarding the bot income: Blizzard doesn’t earn lots of money fro bots, since most bots are either using stolen credit cards or gametime cards fro mcheaper countries, so the actual bot income to Blizzard is much lower than you would expect.

No, they correctly judged GDKP was the main reason for people to buy gold. And it still is - GDKP is now just done secretly on Discord channels.

Other reasons for buying gold is boosts - which are still legal, but I would hope Blizzard implemented the XP decay like they did in SOM, which basically made boosting obsolete unless yoou were going for items or quests in dungeons.

What you are talking about is income quality, and I agree with you, that this might not be the best. However, I think that it is the quantity that is of interest to Blizzard.

Oh really, how comes most players don’t even want to play their class.
Guess where the gold is coming from for boosting Level 1-60?
Guess where the gold is coming from to equip this toon?
Guess where the gold is coming from for Naxx consumables?

The only thing proven here is the complicity of many players.

They dont using stolen cards (at least most of them). I read some botters discords, and know what i am talking about. Using stolen credit cards is not as easy as you think.

Yes they use sub from cheaper countries (such as Turkey). But for now, difference between regional prices and normal prices is not so high - less then 2 times. Blizzard adjusted prices for many cheap countries last years, and now that difference is really not so big (1 month turkish sub that is one of the cheapest regions in the EU that most botters play on, is currently equialent of 8,2 eur compared to 13 euro normal price). Yes they pay a bit less then avg customer, but they own a lot of accounts, so in total it gives blizzard good additional income.

“Clearly been proven to be correct”
Yes so clear that we are all debating it
 any figures to show how “clearly” its proven?