Either their servers are so dead the chances of running into each other is high, or they are queing at the same time intentionally (normal BG). Im not sure.
So your quote of:
which you said were the reason its not âact of malicious intentâ is now somehow not something you said?
But then you also said:
It makes me question why you are so hellbent on defending them while you dont even know yourself why they are doing something but still talk like they hold no malicious intent in their ways.
They keep ruining ppls enjoyment with Epic BGs by âbending the rulesâ which they have done for years. Unless you live with your head in the sand you are full aware what you are actively doing and how that affects other ppl.
You tell us they hold no malicious intent.
Some of us say they do.
You tell us we have no right to say it because we dont know what they personally feel their intent is.
But also saying you dont know anything and you for some reason dont care which is relevant in what way?
Because my intent was not to go outside and hit the person. I did it while pretending I didnt know so it means its not.
So basically you confirmed you didnt bother reading since then you would have understood it was ironic on my part.
I dont like personal life attacks myself so I dont do it even if there are times I would have wanted to do it.
But saying
Can be taken as you justifying their actions by them being ânice folkâ.
Then kept making weird statements like:
To answer why malicious intent is not relevant is⌠
âHey guys, lets pre-sync into Epic Bgs, we know how much it ruins ppls game, but lets invite a random person we dont know so its justifiedâ is what I read from it.
My question is if you are looking it through âsynced premade epic bgsâ or if you are talking about just a normal 5 stack premade.
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For the epics you can easily double that amountâŚ
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You make my head hurt.
I never claimed I didnât say that. Iâm not denying saying that.
Thatâs an example of why someone might queue-sync without mal intent. Another could be OCD / farming HLvls / HKs / Achs / I could dream up 100 more reasons why someone might queue-sync without intent to cause people distress.
I donât doubt some do enjoy squishing disadvantaged lowbies, but so what? Their enjoyment or motivation isnât the issue (itâs irrelevant to me), weâre not the âenjoyment policeâ.
âŚas for the rest, I just donât have the ti
Ah so being unintentional malicious but still being fully aware on what they are doing. (Dont pretend that they dont know.)
The intent of doing it even if other ppl suffers for what they are doing by âbending the rulesâ.
You seem to believe they live in the unknown, being oblivious that they are making ppl upset/frustrated by doing what they do and thats why its justified and not malicious.
I wish I could be that delusional.
Well the presence of intent is a crucial distinction between malice & not.
Like I said, I wish I could live in the delusion that ppl are oblivious to their actions in terms of pre-sync premades. I wish they dont know how it harms the game itself and how it makes ppl not want to play it.
I rly hope they are not fully doing what they do while knowing how much it upset and frustrates quite alot of players.
I hope they live in such a fantasy world that they are unaware what they are doing is malicious.
I rly hope their intent is not to cause ppl to be upset and frustrated by âbending the rulesâ to get what they want without a care of other players.
Man, all those sync premade leaders must live in quite the fantasy world if they are that oblivious and unaware.
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Have you been talking about the leaders this whole time? (or is that the first time you mentioned them?).
Is that who you thought Iâve been typing about?
Do you believe ppl get randomly invited and not know what they are joining for?
The sync premade leaders are the cause of the malicious intent since they are doing it, fully aware of what they are doing while the ppl who join, are, if its even possible to be that oblivious, unintentionally being malicious.
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I was there a few times aswell in your quotes so sorry if I offended you. People make assumptions, thatâs just what we do. And I make assumptions based on the things I notice and experience. I have played this game for ungodly amount of hours per day. I also took breaks that lasted years I am not judging anyone or anyones lives by the amount of time they spend playing the game.
But sorry, If you enjoy cheating with premades to be overpowered and raceroll randoms all day every day, you give me serial killer vibes⌠You think theyâre nice people? thatâs what they said about Bundy. what a nice handsome man lol. But I donât care if theyâre nice people or not⌠I just find it hard to believe theyâre nice people, based on the behaviour they are showcasing in game.
Now about the intent⌠I think itâs malicious intent by default. They know itâs cheating. They know they have an unfair advantage. They know itâs ruining the gameplay experience for others yet they keep doing it even though thereâs nothing really to gain from it. Like we are talking literally about normal and epic bgâs here wich have no real meaningfull rewardsâŚ
even that kid who just âgot a taste of victoryâ will realize theyâre playing with an unfair advantage. so itâs quickly also malicious intent.
âanother one could just be OCD farming HKâsâ If youâre farming HKâs knowing that your in an premade itâs deffo malicious intent. If you think ruining hundreds of players game experience to farm hkâs with premades is not malicious then I donât know what is anymore I guess. To sum it up: You run premade epics to A: cheese honor. B: farm HKâs C: be overpowered against randoms. Add on top of that the ungodly amount of hours of doing the exact same thing over and over (cheating with premades) I donât see how someone can not come the conclusion that itâs malicious intent by default.
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So that is your reaction to people getting off on squishing disadvantaged lowbies all day every day, again ruining the exp for many people.
But when someone compares them with serial killers/cowards you get your panties all in a bunch?
okay then.
Youâre right though, before I stoop down to the same lvls, Itâs better to just accept that a game mode I liked to play has become unplayable and I just donât queu for them anymoreâŚ
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Those that envy premades are those without friends or connections to form their own group. Take my advice and get some friends, that might remove your envy.
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No ones envying premades lol. But you know this, you just need to comment because reasons.
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I can assure you, the vast majority of people arenât feeling envy. I donât.
No objection to people queuing for BGs with a few friends up to groups of 5. Done it myself many times. But itâs the queue-synching groups of more than 5 for hour after hour, day after day, that is the issue for me.
For me itâs a mixture of sadness and pity.
Sadness that after 18 years, and at last count 35,000 BGs & eBGs played, Iâm ready to stop queuing for them. Which pretty much means an end to playing WoW for me.
I imagine Iâm not the first to feel this way, or the last.
And pity ⌠for the fools. The fools that do it, and the fools that put up with it.
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Apologies, I didnât mean to single anyone out. Such posts are common in these threads & I just scrolled & grabbed a few examples at random that highlight a common theme. lol you didnât offend me.
I think thatâs unfortunate and another unintentional consequence of queue-syncing.
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Four EBG without premades tonight, victory in all 4.
You will not always win, but at least have the opportunity to win, lose or have the fight well balanced.
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I rarely see you around anymore as it is, would be a shame to see you quit altogether.
I donât mind going up against a party of 5 in normals, thatâs a nice challenge.
The whole epic situation currently however is just on a whole new lvlâŚjust by the sheer amount of them every single day. Literally zero enjoyment. So yeah Iâm out aswell after all those years. And this hunter is just here to troll. If I join a premade doesnât mean I have new friends lol. If Iâd ask my friends if they would join a premade with me and gank noobs all day, they would think iâm mental and probly donât wanna be friends anymoreâŚ
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You have mistake envy for dislike, nobody envies anything to do with premades, they are weak as urine and make themselves look like absolute wet wipes.
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Guys please stop criticizing premades. Thought of losing their privilege make lions angry.
Proof: https://imgur.com/a/3COFinv
Why not just make queue syncing impossible or super inconvenient and unreliable instead to kill the practice of queue syncing itself?
The players who engage in it up to this point are also paying customers and outright banning them for a practice they used to get away with for all these years would drive away their customers, so the developers wouldnât do it.
The approach they should take is âWhat happened in the past, stays in the past, but from now on, no more group syncing for you!â And nobody needs to be banned.
How to accomplish this?
- Assign people randomly to team red or team blue, but keep groups of friends up to 5 together in the same team.
- Introduce a penalty for declining invites, which quickly increases the more invites you decline in a day (lockout for 10 min, 30 min, 1 hour, 1 day, 1 week etc.)
Nobody could reliably get people into the same team, even if they get into the same round.
Rounds, where a well-organized army faces some clueless casuals would be a relic of the past. At most you would have single group premades of up to 5 people, which are less oppressive for the opponents.
I donât think they do it for honor levels which are worthless beyond the 500 mark or kills beyond 250000. The people who have more than that and still engage in premade raids probably just enjoy the act of winning epic bgs on easy mode itself.
The motivations probably vary from person to person, so rather than removing the incentives to engage in premade raids, it is smarter to make it impossible to run premade raids to begin with. It would be akin to tearing out the problem at the root instead of trying to treat symptoms. Much better.
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