you dont need any bis essences to do non high end content
if you want 10 mains be ready to invest time into it
if you want change classes at will go play moba game
i believe you all heard that before hundred times, no need to polute forum with garbage threads like this. Wow isnt game for you, get it and move on.
You mean BFA not WoW.
Main-like Alts were reasonably viable between and including Legion and Wrath.
Heck, even in BFA they were reasonably viable prior to introduction of the essences.
Now the alts are only good as profession drones.
Apparently the WoW subscriptions are down by 64% compared to August 2019. The Essence grind contributed to that by killing off some replay-ability.
I think there would be WAY LESS complain if Essences were obtainable naturally as you play the game.
M+ one is probably the best example of it. 1 dungeon at 7+ in time and you get rank 2. Then for rank 3 yes is timegated (how new) but the point is, you just need to do content that is relevant.
Nazj raid one and rep, Mechagon rep are probably the most hated despite the lowered requirement. Because they force you into BS content that it is outdated.
I am stating it again.
A vendor system connected to the one we have now would solve the problem.
For example you can farm mechagon rep to get null barrier OR buy all three ranks from a vendor with a currency.
The currency to buy essence from the vendor is yeld in BG/Arenas/M+/Raids.
So a PvPer wonât be forced in PvE more than they already are and viceversa.
Itâs the same reason ILVL isnât accountwide. You might not like it as a player, but from a dev POV if you just get everything you need when you start an alt youâll literally just level once, gear once, grind onceâŠand get bored of the game because now you can do everything. If youâre short on time, main one character. Get it to a good standard, itâs easy enough to do.
If youâve got days of time, you can use that extra time to level up and gear alts. Thatâs how these types of games always work. Tbh Iâm always surprised when I remember they made vanity items accountwide. But that makes sense at least because having vanity doesnât give you an advantage.
Flip side though, if gear wasnât locked to characters (and essences ARE gear) what incentive is there for me to do any grinding on anything more then once? At that point the only content that exists is BGs and Mythic raids because everything else will be done 1-3 months post patch release, sooner if it wasnât for time gates.
Gearing up is very different from grinding rep for a bad system.
Every piece of new gear makes you stronger, you can get a piece of gear from many different types of content). With the essences, you either have them at the right level or you do not. You also need to do very specific things to get these essences.
Also rep grinds are and have always been the worst content in the game. (maybe less so during the era where you got rep by wearing a tabbard and doing other content you normally did)
We can have a discussion about the definition of the word âgearâ but there is no reason to. But i have my essences. Right now the fun starts! NOW we can have real fun in the game. No more time loss in grinding daily for multiple reps. Finally time to push the sh i t out of my character The real playing has began!
You know people might want to push M+ on a different character, might want to raid on a different character.
No essence are not gear, if i am skilled or have a guild i can gear alts to 460~ in a couple of days.
Essences right now push people into content they might not like to do just for the sake of getting their BiS essences. And force them to spend days or weeks repeating that type of content.
Like every melee needing BotE except DH for m+ probably.
I would be 100% with you if the system I suggested before was in place and I could farm content i like and work towards the essence I need.
But going back farming old rep is BS design.
Why not put an essence tied to Brood of Nozdormu at this point? I mean doing outdated content is fine anyway no?
You see though you literally got 1 essence at level 3 just from doing intro quests now the HOA scales right to 50 upon hitting 120 and doing a few quests. So if you just want 3 max level essences just get the 3 from the content you enjoy. You donât NEED any certain essence to be good and if weâre being real theyâre not in anyway required to complete the new raid. They just replace set bonuses
Content that I enjoy in BFA?
hmmm
Outside of leveling up and questing (regular quests and getting turtles to the water), the most fun content in BFA for me right now is farming Anchor weed with up to 10 other people. I do not think I will get any essences from that.
Before you argue that one does not NEED any essences for farming Anchor weed⊠You are the one who said âfrom content I enjoyâ.
I will grind to get my longboi (almost there now), maybe gold for a AoTC boost for the twilight dragon and say goodbye to BFA and all its shortcomings.
In the previous versions of the game I enjoyed leveling up as many alts as possible and reaching a reasonable power with them before moving on another alt. In BFA this rep grind is killing the mood.
Oh god.
Alts have been in this game since foverer, and never in the past were a issue and no, ilvl or gear has never been account wide and never be.
Everyone could easy mantain 2-3char without playing 6+hrs a day, and have fun with them alternating play and nobody unsubbed ever because gearing an alt was easy.
Everyone made alts to have a fresh approach to the same content with a different class or role, and to explore even more content with more profession (weâre still capped at 2) or more dedicated quests.
So no, playing an alt has the opposite effect of make the game boring. It just adds stuff.
Dude, the repeatable content is bg and arena, m+ and raids. It has always been like this. We always had quest the first time and then some daily as a filler or little diversion.
And everyone who stick to a main after 2 months of a new patch has done the lot and whatâs left is m+, bg, raids, arena. Everything is else is mostly useless.
The cloak it is a SYSTEM , the gearing part is almost irrelevant. What you canât grind is a a minor ilvl upgrade gearing wise. By the time you finish cloak quest line you get a Mythic level cloak.
Well I mean yeah you donât need bis, you donât need corruption, you donât need even gear. Then you end up doing 30k less dps because âyou donât need to be optimizedâ.
The entire point of getting an alt for me is to experience the content if a different PoV, wasting weeks because otherwise I will be subpar is BS design. I already did those things I donât need to experience everything again.
Gear is grindable, essence are timegated. And gated on OUTDATED content.
Never said it made it boring. I said that Blizzard has to retain players and if you just insta got everything you need on an alt then theyâd lose alot of retention. MMOs have chores. Thatâs just the genre.
And if I want to replay though the labs in Resident Evil 2 with Claire I have to replay though hours of the game before to get there. Welcome to gaming, you have to do things to get to other things?
We are not asking for everything. We ask for essences. We still need to get gear, grind titan residuum for azerite pieces, grind coal for the cloak, etc. a 280 ilvl dinged 120 char is nothing, even with bis essences.
As someone who didnât played 8.1 and come back at the end of 8.2 it was very very horrible to even get my main char those essences. I really would like to play 2-3 other chars in parallel but hell no I donât do this essence BS ever again. Essences should have been account wide since day one. Itâs dumb that we even have to ask for it. Espacially in 8.3 where you have to grind enough for your back upgrades with every char you want to play in proper end content.
So +1 for Account Wide Essences.
Maybe Blizzard should just start a poll for a week or two and see if more ppl like Account Wide or not. My guess is 90% in favor for Account wide essences.