His name is lemlo, right now hes leveling a hunter. You can probably check on top guilds aswell they have alot of characters bis geared. And alot of gear can be equal to raid gear in classic especially pieces from strat and scholo
Itâs probably wasnât intentional. The expansion went offtrack with their mistakes. Itâs already bad enough so they intentionally not care about it anymore. This way they can focus on the next one. Hopefully it will be better. They must do something better because they are not in a good place financially.
But you would quit the game no matter what blizzard offered anyway,catering to casuals cost blizzard 10mil players .
Why would i quit the game when i get account wide essences, or better ways to acquire them?
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u dont have to grind EVERY essence again on your ALT.
there is no essence gated IF you played your alt before now. if you havent before u clearly DONT need the essences on it.
Depends on how you play alts. Sure if youre just gonna do professions and pet-battles etc, thats fine. But for me, a raider that enjoys m+ kinda needs them. And i wouldnt be bothered grinding them if they werent so timegated and ridiculous to get. Ive already gathered them all on my main. Fact is im tired of my main and wanna change to something else. Now heres the big deal, i have simmed my essences on my sub rogue. It gives me a 30k dps increase. Ive also experienced tanks doing m+ with rank 1 essences and being destroyed. Not to mention pvp. So thats kinda a ridiculous argument.
Stuck on needing 1 island pvp win⊠Thanks blizz, Iâve already completed this disgusting content and now I have to do it again. I hate islands and I hate PvP, brilliant idea to force people into a combination of this on every single character.
Account wide essences, now.
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Devs should just do a study to find out how many players would come back on the game just with the essences account wide. They would realize that this change would bring them a lot of money 
In addition, players would be happier to play other characters than to play only one.
Without this change more and more players get tired of the game and stop their subscriptions because their character is not optimized or simply want to change character but they canât because of no account wide.
So the only thing to do is stop the game until shadowlands.
Plenty of my friends stop the game for this reason from 8.2 
Please dears Devs listen your community
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Blizzard believes this is the best way to retain players. But frankly the alt unfriendliness of this expansion and patch have caused me to go from playing 12 characters pretty regularly in Legion to playing 2 until the 8.3 daily grind burnt me down to just 1.
If they havenât done anything by now then I doubt they will until at the very least the Shadowlands pre patch when none of this will be useful or relevant anymore.
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Yes, Acc wide pre-8.3 essenses pls. Now we have a cloak to grind, let the previous grinds be gone.
Itâs an end of an expansion anyway.
If the thinking behind -not- having shared essenceâs account wide is " it will make people play more " then thatâs just wrong. People will just play less or quit, and grow tired of this game. Can we please have our alts back?
Make multiple very bad decisions in row, with pretty much same mistakes (non sense grind, non sense rng), is madness, not many things in the world is worse then madness only that one that sister of madness, she is called stupidityâŠ
Adding my voice to the chorus.
MAKE. ESSENCES. ACCOUNT. WIDE.
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You have no proof this is the reason people are quitting, or that account-wide essences are the solution to bring people back. There are literally 100s of reasons why people may quit in 8.3. To assume itâs because of lack of account wide essences (especially after theyâve relaxed the requirements fairly substantially for many of them) is pure projection.
The fact is lack of account wide doesnât âstopâ anyone having alts. It stops âsomeâ people having alts. I have this char whom dinged 120 last week already on 4 essences, mixture of greens, blue and purple, and many will ding blue next week. I have 5 other chars with mixtures of purple and blue essences. Itâs not impossible if you actually do it rather than logging in, despairing, and then complaining itâs not possible.
It doesnât require a huge amount of effort to get alts their essences, it simply requires perserverence of logging them in for a little bit (chores) every day or other day. Keep it up for a few weeks - bang, they have their essences.
Regarding stuff like âbut omg I need CandS R3 and EP R3 because bisâ if youâre aiming bis then itâs arguable youâre not treating them as an alt. If an alt is defined as an âalternative characterâ to your âmainâ, logically it follows that the main is the one whom should be following the bis rules more closely rather than all alts following the same criteria.
So what do people want, alts, or several mains? I have no issues playing alts currently. I can see why juggling many mains might be work however, but if I want the character to perform their best, then they need to put the time in surely? If I want the best gear for a char they must earn it themselves. Itâs irrelevant whether I got the best gear on another char, so the idea that because Iâve earned âbisâ on one char with essences that all should have them thusly is just jarring to me.
Letâs face it, itâs because people hate grinding reputations. Thatâs why. But logically you cannot tell me that there is a significant difference aside from means of procurement (rep grind versus RNG drop) in the idea that if a character wants powerful gear, they should earn it, therefore similar should apply for essences. I mean essences are more powerful than some gear anyway!
But no, people have convinced themselves essences are somehow massively different from gear, and how they grant power (largely as a front to disguise the fact itâs simply reluctance to grind them out as opposed to RNG drop them) differs to - by saying stuff like âTheyâre essential for a classâ (no theyâre not, else how do you play the class prior to acquiring them? BIS performance =/= ability to perform) âTheyâre abilitiesâ (Irrelevant, so are some active trinkets) âItâs unfun grinding themâ (Itâs not fun relying on RNG for other gear but thatâs no reason to circumnavigate the process by which itâs acquired).
Fact is if essences were RNG drops from end of dungeon bosses I bet people wouldnât complain about them at all. Note: nobody complains about the EZ to acquire essences like the mythic one. So itâs not really about the idea that âessences should be account wideâ but rather âsome essences are annoying to acquire so I think I shouldnât have to go through the process twiceâ. As said, this argument applies to getting stuff like specific trinkets on certain classes too surely? So why could we not just say âI got a 475 Cannonball Runner on my rogue main, why canât I just get one on my hunter alt?â The principle is the same surely?
Lots of âfact isâ in this reply, when in reality all of it is just your opinion. Comparing high item level trinks to essences, yikes.
Essences as RNG drops from dungeons? Double yikes.
âEZ to acquire mythic essencesâ Whatâs easy about it? Itâs locked behind a timegate like every other essence.
You are missing the point entirely, people donât want to farm the same content theyâve already done dozens of times to unlock something they already have on their main. Itâs not fun, itâs not interesting. This is especially true with OLD content like Naj and Mechagon. Itâs not a case of difficulty, itâs just a simple case of âfunâ and self-worth. As you have said, Essences are extremely powerful, so much so that alts honestly feel worthless without them. I donât want another main, i donât want to compete with people that are playing their mains, I just want my character to be able to do meaningful content without being detrimental to my group because i donât have X essence that iâve already grinded for.
This is the problem, you canât roll alts because you have to spend so much time getting them up to speed that they basically become your main.
Account-wide essences would be good for the game, is it the perfect cure for this god-awful expansion? No. But damn would it be a great step in the direction of making it a game again and not a chore you have to slog through to maybe get some fun out of it at the end.
People miss the days where they were able to just level their alts to max level and gear up playing enjoyable content they are happy and willing to do multiple times.
KEYWORD: FUN
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LOL no proof everyone say i give up because of this but nah i have no proof xd.
I have 13 characters 120 i canât play all of them because of essences thatâs all.
I have my main with all essences R3/4, i have done many same content for others characters.
It took me a while to get some essential essences on my alts to be optimized for MM+.
Before 8.3 I had 7 characters up to date, now 5 because it is exhausting to make islands, capes, essences, dungeons, assaults, visions over a week.
All my 5 tanks got 470 to 474 ILVL and necklace 79-83. The gear is not a problem while the essences prevent me from playing correctly because some are mandatory to be taken in MM+high keys (18-21).
I donât care if I have to farm the stuff or up necklace but do 13 times essences such as Blood of the ennemy or Conflict and Strife and Revered essences + Raid essences, Nah its too much.
If you want some characters optimized for MM+ or Raid you have to play 72 hours per day thatâs not possible, stop saying sh*t for real.
People just want to change daily routine to have fun on the game and not spend 15 hours per day doing the same thing on several characters during 1 month.
Essences system is just a time gating which is completely boring and people leaved the game because of this.
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I am a hypocrite how? Youâre not making any sense.
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Since i see alot of people saying that people will stay subbed cause this content is good, i will share my story. I play a demon hunter as my main. I had grinded uldum and vale daily, but after awhile it became a chore to do. Played some keystones got 1535 io score (not much i know, but average). I played m+ quite competetively in legion and had a pretty high score. Fact is that i became tired of my demon hunter and ive seen other classes in raids and m+ that i would like to try. Thats what i did back in legion, i saw a class that was cool, played it for awhile then went back to my demon hunter. Since i cant get that variation anymore i quit. Im an altoholic and essences are such a big deal that i cant be bothered. They change the way the class plays out and gives them their max potential. So now im just waiting for shadowlands. This has been my whole experience this xpac, i play for 4 weeks and im done cause of the alt problems in this xpac. And thats the way i like to play the game and i dont understand how that affect other peoples gameplay. It would only make life easier and more people in old activities to catchup. Dungeon finder wouldnt be as long since people must gear up again etc. So yeah ill wait.
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