you search the ideal build on icy veins, copy and paste. Use raidbots to see what gear etc is betters and look up what rotation is considered best. You memorize that and that’s it. You’re pressing the same buttons in the same order most of the time. It’s not deep, it’s shallow. It’s complex, lots of wow enjoyers confuse complexity with it being deep.
LOL has 3 or 4 buttons, not complex rotation wise, but very difficult game to master. That is deep. Playing piano with 36 key-binds is not deep, it’s shallow presented as deep.
Yes, but that’s not the point. The question was why it was considered cheating. That consideration/opinion was factually wrong.
What happens in Midnight is, in that context, irrelevant.
From Midnight on however, it would rightfully be considered cheating, yes.
Again, if it was cheating, Blizzard would’ve sancitoned players with bans. Yet, nobody has ever been banned for using addons.
You might as well argue that players with better PCs are cheating because they have 120fps instead of 15 fps and thus can react to things faster.
Also, in another thread you’ve also stated that and I quote: " use your brain memorizing combat patterns in encounters." in the context of M+.
Why can’t you just use your brain and track CDs in PvP?
Is it easier to just use an addon? Yes, but everybody can download those for free and (as of yet) officially supported.
The type of information that addons provide is the on the fly information you cannot pre-coordinate. Like who has what externals/defensives up, who has kicks up, how long until their 3 minute offensive is back up etc
People already communicate macro stuff like positioning, move left on swampface etc, but it’s the moment to moment communication that will hurt, people will make a ton more small errors, overlaps, bad timing, which will lead to tons of frustration and toxicity in pugs, even more than there already is, which is a lot
Because others have it via automatization easier than I would have.
Which in turn will make people long-term more uncaring about minor mistakes otherwise they will never get done in this game with people quitting to join groups like mine where I don’t care about minor mistakes anyways.
In other words, the LFG scene is about to get a massive reality check and I’m all in for people learning that getting angry over a video game and players performance won’t get them anywhere long-term.
You can consider it as cheating. It’s just not cheating.
You’re willingly refusing to use the ressources that are available and officially supported and free.
Nothing is stopping you from using them and nothing is disallowing you using them.
You’re just handicapping yourself on purpose. Calling other people cheaters because of your decision to use a suboptimal setup isn’t really fair.
It’d be different if Blizzard was against using them or if they’d cost money but as things are, it’s fine to use them.
What you think/feel is your prerogative but it doesn’t necessarily reflect reality.
It’s not mandatory. Nobody forces you to use them. You’re just not playing optimally then.
Yeah, that’s the WoW community in a nutshell. I’m sure there are like-minded guilds though.
Didn’t know that and didn’t mean it this way but I’m sure you’re aware of that.
With that, I absolutely 100% agree. Blizzard just let addon developers run wild because they basically did their job for free. Now it’s backfiring though.
i do not agree with the removal of ANY addons especially the combat related ones, also the simplification of classes will lead me to QUIT the game for good. I need to see in PvP when my opponents open burst on me and when they use their defensive and their trinket, i need to see in boss fights DBM to GTFO to inform me about information that are not clearly visible with our eyes or its happening behind my back…, all those things are ESSENTIAL and a part of the 20 yo game, their removal now is a HUGE mistake and there will be backfire when ppl realize their game play has been degraded due to remove of addons and the simplification of classes.
If you dont like addons then simply dont use them, no1 is forcing you to use them but give the option for more in depth players to have them availiable if needed.
This is a BIG mistake, i warn you for the last time, at the end of the day its your game i have ‘‘other’’ options to spent my time with.
I assure you that the high majority of my friends share my opinion 100%, but they don’t bother to waste their time on forums like i do, they will simply quit the game.
So be expecting mass quits inc for the “nerf gameplay and skill ceiling, WoD 2 night expansion”.
ps. blizz implementations are a joke, far inferior from the add-ons we currently have and much less customizable, providing less information and with a worse UI that you cant customize to your specific liking and needs, its a waste of dev manpower if you ask me, instead you should focus on MORE content like bring back season 4, time walking and ascended raids - dungeons…
In the game you can set what you can see displayed on your player and enemy frames. Specifically HP values, you can see them on %, numerical, both or none. If 1 player decides to turn both and the other one decides to just see %, is that cheating?
lol its not cheating to see enemy CD’s… in chess you see enemy movement and planing dont you? its higher skill ceiling if you are able to track all that information at once, move, kite, hide, do your rotation and act according to the situation all at once.
This is clearly a nerf to the game itself and its fundamental values
How so? 1 player has 10m HP, the other only has 2m HP, yet both show as 100%, player A who has numeric values can see tgat difference, player B who has % value cannot.
If player 1 has 10mio HP and the other has only 2 mio HP, that means the other player has either very lacking gear or is 4-5 levels below the other player. And also that would be visible due to the Skull Icon on the Level section of the Nameplate.
Now they won’t have a choice but to fix them. The phrase “there’s an addon for that” will die in midnight, and whatever happens will be entirely on blizzard.
They probably already have a backlog of UI feature requests 100 meters long and soon the configuration section of the options menu will become a cluttered mess because it wasn’t designed to handle so much customization.
That said, I applaud blizz for at least taking a stance finally, instead of just letting the issue fester.
done in this game with people quitting to join groups like mine where I don’t care about minor mistakes anyways.
