YASSS QUEEEN SLAAAY 
BASH THE FASH, I HATE RIGHTOIDS 
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Yes, it’s true. In the beginning when AI art first cropped up, people were using it as an inspirational tool, to generate ideas for them to work off or their own designs. Then slowly, things changed and now we’re at the point where an entire piece can be created in less than an hour and posted on a site where someone can claim they did it.
That’s the issue I have with the tool now. People making art with it and using it for themselves? Whatever, you do you, but don’t pretend you made it beyond feeding the machine a prompt. Unfortunately there are people doing this and putting them onto sites like DeviantArt and getting credit. It’s a shame because these actions have damaged the reputation of all tools and as you said, become a way of cashing in on the popularity.
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I dare say the only core difference here is the fact technology does it better, a technology that is in the early stages and will improve as is.
Such is the case with most technology. It will appear one day, out of the blue and do its task and go from there.
That is for the state and lawmakers to work through, in the end. As it always has been, and always should be.
Agree to disagree, or zero opinion, since I cannot argue an actual credible stance on this due to my bias and lack of seeing the distinctively awful you speak of. But I did not want to blank you on this for the sake of civil conversation, so best to be blunt.
I don’t understand why this is a point. Can you elaborate?
Indeed. But I will still ask you to not speak on my behalf in this topic.
The topic of copyright is the core issue, I dare say. Not so much as that I do not support copy-right (A bit of a loaded topic), but rather that copyright in this very topic does not apply to my belief system and political ideology. If you wish to have a lengthy discussion regarding such, feel free to reach out. Having it here is not the place to do so.
I did not, and never will. NTF’s and cryptocurrency/blockchain in general clashes with my extremely pro-statist beliefs. Which can then be turned to the whole copyright issue. I personally do not believe much of anything in this world has any value unless it benefits the wider state and authority, which derives from a collectivist belief. The state is the people (collective, not individual), and the people is the state. There are only two institutions that matter, that being said all-powerful state, and the Church.
I am fully aware that this sort of ideology is generally despised in most circles, especially since it stems from a rather illogical (schizoid) world-view I’ve developed as my life goes one way or another, but I wanted to be honest and candid about why I argue for what I argue, since:
And with that, I do dip as to not make a bigger mess of this than it already is. Take care.
Which is why I’m going to take the opportuntiy to plug ToneTransfer again as (in my opinion) it’s a valid and ethical tool with some really interesting results, because it relies so heavily on exactly what you put into it in the first place. It’s free to use and is trained on the sounds of consenting musicians and most of all it’s just kind of fun to turn random sounds into music (or even music into other music)
https://youtu.be/bXBliLjImio?t=55
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You too babes.
Let us agree to disagree then.
Not always, at least not in the same vein AI spewed garbage flooded out.
Which… is what they are doing now, because people made enough of a ruckus about it as they should.
I think there’s been an ESL thing then, I did not speak on your behalf but merely questioned it as I doubted it. It happens.
I do agree that copyright as we know it can be… Hmm, rigid and very black or white, but it is still a necesity for many.
However the political side of it needs to be removed, there’s too many who can shove it around due to being a #heavy weight" partisan in shaping the laws cough disney cough
While I do agree it is not the place to do so, it has been at least partially relevant to the discussion about the ethics of AI.
I thank you for the offer, but I have enough to do with copyright in my job as is.
Thank you for answering the question abit more in depth than the yes/no, I only ask as I do notice a large overlap of pro-AI folk having also been very into NFTs prior, which as you say with that debacle goes into the whole issue with copyright as well.
I can to some extent agree, yes.
However I will staunchly disagree, any religion should not have a deciding factor on society greater or smaller as a whole. Use it as a guideline, but not as a position of power.
This was abit off topic and I apologise for that.
While I wouldn’t use schizoid in general, I do understand where you come from.
I thank you for being civil in discussing and answering my question, seeing as this topic which has been quite heated.
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Certainly.
I can budge and say the rather explosive entry of all this AI-related technology was a bit of a gobsmack out of nowhere, certainly. (Compared to past technological releases)
Most likely, and I apologize if I’ve been incoherent from my side. No hard feelings here, and thank you for being understanding.
Hard agree. But hey, at least Steamboat Willie will be in the Public Domain soon. That’ll be funny to see, lest the House of Mouse comes around for a reckoning as they tend to do.
All the respect to you in that regard. Copyright is a scary thing, especially seeing recent news.
No worries at all. And yeah, I’ve seen that overlap, too. So I can understand the suspicion regarding my take/stance on the whole issue.
No worries at all. I am glad we can have a civil disagreement and partial agreement on things. It does make me happy to see that discussion isn’t dead (Granted, I play my part in killing most discussion when it comes to agitating in threads like a frothing dog at times)
I simply employ the term “schizoid” since I’ve been diagnosed with a schizoid-related illness for some time. But I understand that it isn’t perhaps the best term to use, and most likely not completely correct. Just easier than saying “lol I am off in the head xd” when I try to give context to my rather jarring or anger-filled takes on issues that may come across as very vapid or convoluted/illogical.
Same to you. It was a pleasant end to my part in this, and I appreciate you taking the time to step down to my view. It means a lot. I hope I can return the favor in the future.
You, too. Bye bye everyone.
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I underestimated how much I have to triple check copyright stuff while doing graphic design, between images and fonts it can be quite a nightmare to navigate.
All to avoid a potential smack for some obscene copyright claim aha. Scary stuff, I cannot imagine how the video crew manages their part of it.
Anytime my guy, take care out there and let’s have a pleasant talk in a future thread 
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I am 100% certain nobody within this thread has ever downloaded a movie or song. I am also 100% certain nobody in this thread has ever listened to/or watched a movie that was illegally acquired what so ever. 
Sarcasm aside,
I still have no idea
What this means and I am curious.
On a more serious note: I understand I may have offended some people with my 
slinging. But i’ll stop argueing in here, since I really don’t know how deep this whole thing goes with datascrapping and NDA and I am probably not smart enough to understand the whole problem anyways…
I just want to point out that its not that I don’t appreciate good Art. I love the art of the old masters, just as much as the next bloke. And I like some of the current art aswell(not Modern Art, tho… Those stuff are fugly as hell, imho, most of the time) And if AI makes good art, then I will enjoy that aswell.
And no I do not think AI art should be used to make money. Or claim person X created Art piece Y. I think thats not the reason we should develop AI for either. But I think that will happen anyways, atleast until Skynet takes over or w/e😩
Data scraping uses programs to extract mass amounts of specified data from a source. You can think of it as a massive ctrl+F.
NDA = Non-disclosure agreement. Companies usually make artists sign these when they work on a project to avoid having concept art leaked.
The entire issue is pretty much that the data fed to the AIs to generate art uses pretty much anything they can find. There was no attention to who holds the legal rights to the art or any of the limitations that come with that.
Oh, and another issue:
I’m not too current on if they’ve found a way to handle it yet but in the past AI art also frequently featured signatures from the artists they used to feed the AI. So now there’s some art out there signed by artists even though it’s just some computer generated picture that has nothing to do with said artist.
And not all artists sign their stuff with their name in the corner. Plenty have little hidden features that are very deliberately placed. Idk how you would filter for that without keeping some humans very, very busy.
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This is blatant misinformation, yes, most AI art uses REFERENCE images to properly calibrate and generate art from prompts, HOWEVER, not all of the owners of AI art cramp as much copy-righted art into it as they can for the sake of maliciousness, this is a case of due-diligence being less then perfect, several people see hints or even full-blown copies of copyrighted art in AI art-generators, and will immeditly jump to the conclusion that the owner is infringing on rights, while the possibility that the stock-image site that they are getting the reference pictures itself could be the culprit.
ALWAYS double-check your facts before you accuse.
Except dozens of people feed art in from a variety of sources and it only builds from there. The art you specifically feed in doesn’t mean it isn’t also drawing from other reference images that have been fed to it.
AI art is theft.
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Looks at the ongoing court case(s) in regards to un-credited and un-compensated copying of music, or accusations thereof
Yeah, would be nice if the art world had such defence of artists, frankly…
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Who?
See the thing with AI generated music is that (at least in it’s current iterations as far as I know) - you still need to have a human behind it. The guy who did that Drake song with the Weeknd did the vocal parts for both men before running it through a machine that made it sound like them. While not a completely apt comparison, you can think of the voice going in as keys on an electronic keyboard being pressed, and then the keyboard making a guitar sound or something similar - you still at this stage have to put in the effort to craft melodies and lyrics yourself.
While I don’t think it’s ethical to pass your own work off as that of a pre-existing artists and labels are well within their right to protect the voice likeness of people they’ve signed, there’s at least an arguement to be made about what degree of human input was needed - you still need a writer, you still need a producer, you still need recording equipment and software in order to do that.
Conversely in the art world all you have to do is type “AI image generator” then type in a few things to give it an idea, and boom. You’ve got something which can pass as your own work until somebody discerning enough comes along and points out that it’s just 100% algorithmic.
I’ve been rambling and I’m gonna ramble some more, but I do think it’s sickening how companies are making AI harvesting an opt-out system rather than opt-in. It’s really scummy to use people’s lack of awareness as a means to profit off of them - though I’m aware that happens with more than just AI integration into apps and websites.
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Brave new world where artists will no longer be measured by their skill in the craft but by how good of a AI they havw for creating art and how good they are at giving it commands and instructions.
I actually think that real art, made by humans, is going to go up in value in the long run. Why? Because humans can put things into a piece that AI can’t; effort, care and soul. If I want a memorable piece of art of my characters, I’d never turn to an AI “artist” to have it made. AI art is basically like a T-shirt or a Happy Meal. I’d pay €1 for it while I’d pay far more for a piece made by the efforts and thoughts of a human artist.
Oh, and hands.
I want my characters to have proper hands.
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Sweetie it’s theft
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Flexing on AI bros with this commission from Azarya who had her sister pose to get the magical hand gestures right
https://i.imgur.com/L8Wx9rF.png
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The new art trend is going to be meticulously drawn hands in the weirdest possible gestures.
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