Pressed and highly bothered.
We can simp and support communism/far-left all we want, but if we’re going to be doing that, we’re going to be preaching actual communism, not whatever westerners white-wash it to be. At least be honest, or reconsider your ideology. It’s not some utopian dream where people can sit at home and do w/e they want. You’ll be working in the factory, the mines, prop up the war-economy. You won’t have any personal liberties or right under the dictatorship, you are not a person. You are a part of the collective. Your identity, beliefs, sexuality, whatever makes you into “you” does not matter, because it does not benefit the collective. It is degenerate to the working class (according to marxism/bolshevism). This is the real ideology. You have no value except to the state as a collective entity. Individualism is a plague.
Source: Someone from a brief ex-soviet republic, and a country that fought tooth and nail against their own brothers to prevent it.
Not pretending that the other team is the only one strawmanning would be a good start.
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Equally, not resorting to wilful ignorance would be helpful in this debacle. People, actual artists and writers have in this thread given their professional, knowledgeable opinions backed by government legislation and objective fact in this thread only for it to be turned away by whataboutism and recycling points that have now diverted the thread into a political discussion about Rome and communist regimes to try and distract from the fact that the talking points have run out.
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AI “art” in the trp or AA page is a blue tick next to your name in my view.
To be mocked and ridiculed.
That surely is a very healthy, positive and humane way to treat others in the community for having the AUDACITY asking an AI to create a random reference picture for their character. Be it because they themselves can’t draw, or do not have the capital to commission a piece.
Great and mature take.
Especially considering AI art is theft. Cry some more!
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My fellow artists and myself: AI is theft and plagiarism, it is trained on copyrighted and private works and puts peoples jobs at risk. It is also unethical in it’s current form.
Here’s several reasons and a few links to on-going lawsuits on why AI is bad.
You guys: But we can’t afford art or draw!!! Boo hoo!!! You’re all so mean and gatekeeping also here’s ridiculous comparisons to Rome, communism bad! strawmanning and willfull ignorance.
Art is a luxury, it is a skill people spend many years honing but is treated as nothing by the greater society.
Which fun fact is WHY you don’t see the stuff like Michelangelo, Van Gogh et al, they had time and funding to create their master works.
Today if you don’t churn out a piece of art within a day or ordering you get slammed for not doing your job or scamming or worse.
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I haven’t even told you about my ideology lol, lmao.
You came in guns blazing with your better-than attitude telling people to touch grass, completely disregarding the actual topic, and then when you got called out on it you resorted to attempting to ridicule my supposed political beliefs by one-upping them cus you’re from “real” commie roots and not “whatever western white-washing” I have going on.
Does any of this sound particularly sane to you?
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Comes in thread.
Touch grass lol.
Proceeds to talk about communism.
???
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Profit - for the state ofc.
As one of these fellow “artists” and a professional writer for a living: Hard disagree.
Those “people” included myself, and everyone on “my” side of the fence of the argument.
I’ve made multiple comments at the top of the thread discussing the topic in earnest, before it devolved into 
flinging, which I am now partaking in. Seems to be a common pattern.
My brother in Christ, the irony is so heavy it could block out the sun. But sure, go on with your “YASSS QUEEEN SLAAAAY 
BASH THE FASH, I HATE RIGHTOIDS” spiel that you do in every thread, for clearly you are a saint and innocent in this regard.
As for being “called out”, I don’t consider a 4 word sentence summarized as “I am so sassy” as a call-out or any form of point at all. I could go ask the local drag-queen downtown if I wanted sass, at least they’re good at it.
So you’re fine with a robot stealing your whole library of works to train itself on so someone out there can replicate your art without you recieving any recompense for it?
I sincerely doubt you’re okay with that considering that is what is happening to many an artist out there with AI as it is.
Nevermind the NDA “secure” portfolios being scrapped too.
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I’m usually against asking this cus it implies weaponising mental health but are you okay?
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Yes. For it happens anyway, with or without AI. This is the core of human development in the arts and culture. People copy, improve, adapt, change. Simply because it’s an AI isn’t any different, it’s merely technological developments, and the AI does it far better than some randomer on Tumblr or someone I’ll never meet will. I do not get monetary compensation for inspirations, adaptations or otherwise that would ever be lifted from my works.
Don’t presume to know how I feel about things, and don’t try to argue on the behalf of my feelings/thoughts on a topic I already expressed my thoughts on twice or thrice, thank you.
My point has been proven. I need not say anything more. Thank you.
No, you really don’t.
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you’re literally defending a machine that breaks copyright law and the very notion that private property exists because artists are ‘gatekeeping’ art by asking for proper prices based on supply and demand
https://www.theverge.com/2023/1/16/23557098/generative-ai-art-copyright-legal-lawsuit-stable-diffusion-midjourney-deviantart
https://news.bloomberglaw.com/ip-law/first-ai-art-generator-lawsuits-threaten-future-of-emerging-tech
https://www.theartnewspaper.com/2023/03/28/ai-and-art-how-recent-court-cases-are-stretching-copyright-principles
why the hell does every dude online turn into the physical manifestation of Adam Smith’s soul until a service being provided by a private individual is asked to be paid according to supply and demand while respecting copyright law
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Yeah you’ve embarrassed yourself enough.
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Yes, but usually these are done by people doing this little thing called studying a style or technique they like to in most cases develop their own style in time. Monkey see, monkey do.
It’s more the actual lack of knowing it was a thing until it vomitted all over the internet and like I said, there’s also the problem with datascraping and NDA pieces being used AS WELL.
I’d say the opposite, AI is distinctively awful once you actually do mor than a glance over.
Oh no, what a horrible thought that we’re totally not all aware of /s
I am allowed to express my doubts as much as you are within your right to prove me wrong. It’s called a holding a civilized discussion of a subject.
But be my guest to continue supporting a copyright breaking machine. I do have a final question though, did you think NFTs were awesome as well? Just out of curiosity.
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At the moment it feels like we’re in the worst midpoint with Artificial Intelligence. There are some genuinely great things it can do such as upscaling images, films, textures in games for one, there’s an AI-powered animation tool where you theoretically only need to colour the first frame and then it’ll colour the rest of the frames to match the colour put in the first one. Heck, I’ve gone on about ToneTransfer as an audio tool which I think is great, primarily because it’s trained off of open-source musical pieces and actual live performers who consented to having their works used to train the machine learning algorithm, and it’s great because ToneTransfer doesn’t write a song for you - the input of the user 100% matters for the outcome.
But at the moment that’s not where AI is, it’s sadly commonly used to cash in on the popularity (sometimes posthumously) of artists and their styles. It’s not enhancing what the user does, it’s doing the entire job for them and it’s doing so by taking artwork from artists that have no knowledge or consent on the matter.
It’s difficult to say what the solution is, but one thing that is good about the situation is that companies and corporations might be hesitant to use prompt-based AI, as they cannot currently be copyrighted due to the lack of human authorship.
I mostly just miss the time when we had machines taking Freddie Mercury’s voice and making him sing WAP. It was a funnier and simpler time without as much ethics.
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