You know, I secretly love that even the superior computer brain struggles with hands. Makes my mortal fleshbag self feel less bad about how hard they were to learn for me.
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I’m clearly in a minority here, but I really don’t think it’s a big deal when people use AI to get some character references. When they don’t act like they have drawn it and are clear about the image being generated, just let them have a visual representation of their character for free.
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I think the issue people have is that the AI scours the internet, takes untold amounts of existing artworks and proceeds to produce from their own work. Having it just for reference is alright in itself, for me at least.
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The Argent Archives stance on AI content is that is sure is content, however it is not Art. And it should not be sorted in the same place or filters. It also needs an updated Terms and Conditions page and rules that guide what is to be done with AI content. To filter it together with Art, be that 2D, 3D or other mediums is an insult to artists out there.
We have already implemented meta tags to the site which disallows AI datasets from scraping content off the site for training its networks. We are just taking some time to rewrite guidelines and make sure that these things are handled, and admittedly it has been taking us some time.
Worth mentioning as well is that AI imagery, by definition cannot be copyrighted or claimed by any user.
“AI images are created by a machine where there is no “artistic endeavour” or “labour, skill and judgment” of the artist. Therefore you cannot credit yourself in its creation”
See cases of the past with the Photographer who attempted to claim a photo taken by a monkey.
– AA Team
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Hey fren xo
Out of interest, what’s the official line on people posting AI content to the gallery and giving the credit to themselves/with no reference to the program they used?
I take it that’s going to be part of the guidelines, since that’s probably one of the most prevalent issues at the moment.
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Good to see you again frend xo I hope you are doing wonderfully
The official stance without having been formally communicated yet is that I go in and edit the credits noted as “myself” where I see them to note that it was made with AI. In an ideal world we would have users annotate that they prompted the image, that AI generated it, or best option what AI generated it. With the framework we have for the site at the moment, with it being older than many people playing WoW at this time is that we have Credits forced in the field, to force crediting for art but we cannot easily disable it for one type of content.
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Wouldn’t it be an ideal solution for the user to note which prompts AI used to generate an image, crediting the artist it potentially took inspiration from?
Though I do not think it excuses copyright infringement in any sort of way - it at least credits the artist in some way, should it be allowed on the platform.
(also when do u open ur commissions kingston i s2g i need more memes)
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The intricacies of AI copyright infringement and the violation of artist rights go above what we, as a little roleplay profile portal, can weigh in on. Other than that we do our best to allow users to post things that align with the current legal landscape, and what the game sets out as a groundwork for us.
To track down the artists which the AI may potentially have scraped from would be rather impossible and there is no way for us to enforce that either, as much as I personally want justice for artists out there who had their works scraped.
Differentiating and highlighting art made by humans and pressing AI content down will help place value where it matters and ensure that at least on the archives, we do not suppress artists with AI in the gallery.
(I can probably always squeeze in memes for you xo)
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True, I think if the EU legislator hasn’t fully addressed the said point - it isn’t fair to demand some sort of action from a little roleplay profile portal, as damning as it sounds.
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Thank you for not holding us to the same standard as the EU legislators. It’s hard out here.
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Joke’s on you - you’ve been served. You will hear from my lawyer shortly.
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I come to this thread to write a long thought out post about my unpopular opinion on this subject but decide last minute I rather not deal with the arguments and debates, sure to follow.
So instead of that I think I will just leave a vague cowardly statement that will neither explain nor enlighten you on what I actually think about this.
Why am I always late to the discussions… I’ve been reading through the thread and damn, some interesting leaps took place here.
Now, the funny thing is, yesterday I spoke with a friend a little about the arrival of text being written by an AI like ChatGPT or however you name it. For one day I do hope to write my own novel, so, I will admit, I was not entirely happy at the thought of an AI one day potentially taking that dream out of my hands.
But, as others here in this thread said, and a conclusion I’ve reached aswell: AI-generated texts and artpieces can indeed only exist because humans made them. And I am quite certain that a text-writing AI could never make a novel like Lord of the Rings, because a machine simply cannot replicate human emotion.
So I’m going to hold out hope and go through with my novel.
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I think for that, the AI would have to reach the level where it can genuinely think on the same level as we do. Especially with fantasy novels, huge draw of them is setup and payoff, sometimes thousands of pages later. You can´t achieve that without genuine intelligence, and we´re still quite far away from that.
Also, people will still value something made by a human, especially if it´s going to have quality and something to say.
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In a world where the Amazon bestsellers are all written by machines, a story thought up by a human and typed with their own two hands is a concept one could certainly describe as…
…novel.
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There’s a reason why you pay more for handmade furniture over mass produced stuff.
AI was also made by a human- So by extension, the works they do are also works of human ingenuity, if you think about it.
I will never say never when it comes to AI- It isn’t capable of writing a novel series like LoTR today, but I think it is only a question of “when” it will be able to do that, rather than stating that it can’t.
But this does not take away from our own wishes and wants. Like you, I too will continue on with my novel. Good luck with yours.
AI and easy drag and drop have been a thing for web development for a while.
and yet there is still a desire for a human to write code.
AI is here to stay, might as well consider how to adept, as someone else said, there is value in items made by hand over machine.
this thread feels like manufactured consent
It’s quite sad how “machine is making art” has become the unconstested discourse, since the machine doesn’t do art even in the most lenient definition - it obviously lacks the ability to express emotion/interest/statement/lived experience into an artistic form. It’s doing image generation, and the art part is when a human looks at the generated image and goes “hm yeah this is nice i will post that”.
Hence the question is not “what if a machine does art indistinguishable from a human” but “what if a human uses an incredibly convenient shortcut to skip the whole process right to the output”.
It’s up to us to eventually gutfeel whether that skip affects the subjective value and our preception of that art. For two indistinguishable images, the human-made will elicit awe and curiousity, the machine-made immediately makes me lose interest. The only thing an image straight out of midjourney says is usually a self-celebratory “look i’m an artist too”/“man these AI are so cool”. For most intents and purposes it’s just inert visual fodder.
Imbuing ML image generation with some kinda valorous spirit of learning and creation is offensively dumb AI bro apologia and every day we see people falling for it, for example:
…Because humans also learn by sequentially adding then removing noise from a billion of captioned images and putting that into a big vector space, it’s just the same thing
I’ll omit the question of ethics/copyright/labor replacement because it’s been said a 1000 times, but even for the viewer or “”““consumer””“” there is good reason to shut out “AI art” from your platforms, because otherwise you’re opening the gates to a deluge of samey trite s**t from people hooked on slots-machine dopamine of pressing “generate”, who don’t have the artistic experience/eye to select well and understand what works and what doesn’t; it’ll all look impressive and “indistinguishable from human art” but lack any context or soul to it; it’ll lead to quick visual oversaturation and loss of excitement about art on the platform in general.
Particular to AA/RP, the only thing OC art generated in midjourney says, is “i don’t care a lot”/“i cheaped out on a commission”. Even the most amateurish drawing is far more interesting.
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