I have more than few people ashed on this thread, probably one of those.
But I am glad you picked up on it all the same. It’s always entertaining to see when lucidity arrives.
Doh! Link is now dead 
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I don’t think the link works.
Also its nice to find the Artwork where they have lizard people eyes on closer inspection.
I actually liked earlier ML models/algorithms because with specific/verbose prompts you could steer it into weird territories where it kinda “broke” from “good” clusters in the latent space and created some truly Bacon-esque distorted features and brushwork, it looked like something you haven’t seen before
It feels harder to do now and they tend to generate incredibly expected results
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Spoilers man. I’ve not played Tears of the Kingdom yet.
Anyway, support artists, you know, ones who learnt to make art with their own hands and skills.
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The best AI art I’ve seen is the hybrid sort where an artist has used AI tools then went back over the artwork with their own hand to fix the weird nuka cola mutations. But is that really classed as AI art if there is a human input? What difference is it to using a reference as a base?
Artists got some weird and interesting internal kitchens - there’s a ton of ways to use image generation as a tool in the process. I don’t find AI super fruitful as idea generation or “overall reference” tool because they tend to be too expected and cliche, but as an aid for minor “visual fodder” (f.e. when you need a mini-idea for some garment piece or small ornaments) it can be pretty cool.
A lot of visual art creation is essentially dumpster diving everywhere for reference and material that goes both ways (finding reference for an idea, finding an idea from reference) so of course AI could be used that way, often so deep in the process you would never even know.
I think when we talk about “AI art” here we primarily mean stuff that’s straight out of the generator, where the only decisionmaking involved is the prompt and whether you find the output worthy to post; Not sure what “fixing wonky hands on a generated image” classifies as on some scale of human vs artificial and it’s pretty silly to try and draw an objective precise line there - how much % of the work you need to redo to make it “human”? it’s all up to the creator’s conscience and how the viewer feels about it.
AI art kinda exists in its own self-imposed contextual bubble anyway and its proponents would let you know from a mile away by not being able to shut up about its virtues while simultaneously mad about not being accepted outside of the bubble lmao
At that point I think most would consider it a tool, whereas prompt-based input is entirely automated.
Exactly my sentiments. I buy maybe 2 pieces a year. AI is never going to happen.
Harkening back to the main point re AI and AA, an updated stance on AI has been posted to the Archives.
argentarchives.org/node/266157
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Argent Archives W.
A good read!
It’s fine by me.
Not everyone can afford art, don’t be classist. Using AI picture for a reference isn’t for-profit venture so it’s whatever.
Not everyone have the financial ability to drop 50+ bucks for an art piece, especially those who don’t live in Western Europe and salaries are a fraction of what Western Europeans make.
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Then don’t associate those things to them.
I’ve had the pleasure of actually meeting Vaxir IRL during one of AD meets in Helsinki- And she was just a normal person, face-to-face. Just as most people are here, I would imagine.
We don’t agree on a whole lot of things on forums and don’t really associate with one another, but that doesn’t matter to me.
Equally, this is now, what, the 3rd or fourth time these things are linked like the given gospel of truth of what is/what will happen- When, there hasn’t been a conclusion. And I doubt there will be a global conclusion about this very soon either.
There are legitimate grievances that creators have toward AI generated Art and creations.
And there also also legitimate arguments that support why AI development should be allowed free reign., and everything in-between a total ban.
And equally, maybe the said businesses will see profit in it and work through a jumble of lawsuits, rules and regulations to extract the maximum profit out of the AI generation, while simultaneously holding onto their own copyrights.
1 billion is pocket change in big tech. It doesn’t mean squat- Even if you somehow managed to collapse the AI because of it, then somebody else with far more resources would buy up the debt and make profit off of it.
AI does landscape, space and starship art extremely well.
And for the most part save for some pictures where a person has two legs in one socket or 6 fingers or very oddly shaped hands, many of the examples I have seen get humanoids up quite well as well.
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Surprisingly moderate and reasonable response. It would be daft to completely freeze it out but having a place for it for those who do want to use it is good move.
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What about the many “not Western European” artists?
The classism is weaponising this stuff against artists – aka, working people often underpaid for their time and work.
Let us also remember that having character art, especially in a visual medium like WoW RP, is not necessary. It’s a luxury not a requirement.
art is not an essential good everyone should be entitled to; it would probably be rad if the state funded everyone’s OC commission needs and that would be a great use for my taxes but we’re not there yet
you do know that places with lower salaries also have local commission artists with lower prices than what western europe artists ask for
don’t paint yourself as some victim of unfairness here, nobody’s gonna persecute you for generating OC reference pics but nobody also owes you the treatment of them as they would actual art.
I tend not to worry about those Non-Western European artists since for a lot of them two commissions are net more money than the monthly minimal wage in their countries.
Here our artists pretty much charge Western Prices while the minimal wage is 300 euro, and the region average where I live is 400 per month. They’re not giving you a discount because you’re a local, that’s not how business work.