You’re right, I haven’t and I am not. I am just confused as to how you understood my post as something I am apparently passionately mad about?
Care to clarify that bit?
Let me clean it up a bit more. I said that it does not take a creative genius to write someone or something as masters of their craft and expect they are as such without actual convincing clout to back it up. I say this against Sylvanas, I say this against Tyrande, I say this against any character that has thus been very unconvincing with their background.
mmmm once again you seem to have massively missed the point. Your entire post seems to be “weell it wasnt really that bad”. Not sure i understand how you make that type of rationale.
Again Blizzard is almost condescendingly trying to make a character “evil” either for a redemption ark or to create a villian (same process) and there’s people saying “did nothing wrong” or engagign in whataboutery or equivicating.
It’s bizzare. Why not just own it? It’s just a game no problem with it and i thoroughly enjoy playing my undead character but at no point in my play through have i ever thought “this isn’t really that bad of a thing to do”
Nice. Care to assume what seems to be dinner later too? Trying to act smart with assumptions is a strange play.
Also, you really need to define who you’re trying to argue against here. Your posts just jump from: “these Horde players” to “those Horde players” and then “All of the Horde players”. The only thing I can see that you’re hiding incredibly poorly is that you have something against Horde players.
That’s because the actions themselves, as Brigante pointed out, are carried out on a regular basis by both factions. Regardless of how the narrative ends up framing them.
If you want to make people “accept you are playing the bad guy” because of what certain faction ends up doing in the story, you’ll have to do so with the entire playerbase of the game…instead of trying to pin it only on the Horde one.
It’s like he is trying to breach the fourth narrative wall to lash at players.
His eagerness to claim the absolute moral highground of the faction he plays, has gone meta.
It’s not like Alliance players pointing fingers at Horde players being tolerant of immoral practices, enjoy doing them, are sick people or what have you is a new concept since BFA… or even WC3 here, from what big-brain claims have made.
At this point, this is going down the route of most just shrugging and just letting it be.
I mean i’ve played through on both factions…if the facts on the ground arent even known to you i can see how you would arrive at that conclusion but…i mean without a shocking level of equvicating to the point of “violence on both sides” level…i mean you’re just flat out wrong…downplaying these actions and whataboutery is just a way of trying to square one moral system with the one in game…
You keep cycling back and forth, whilst demanding people should be honest about being sick, immoral people for playing a video game such as WoW because it has these immoral practices? Or just the Horde community?
… Is that what you’re trying to get at here? If about 90% of this thread apparently did not understand the basic concept of your post, could you be a bit more clearer?
Your current iteration of an argument seems about having Horde players “accept they are the bad guys” because of certain actions the faction they play did.
And this is something that can indeed be countered by pointing out that, regardless of the framing, most of said actions have been repeatedly mirrored by the other collectives including the Alliance.
So if your point is “When X factions does this, it means that players should accept that its evil”, then everyone can plead guilty as charged.
But guess that’s not the sort of message you want to hear.
After all, the only thing your flailing has proven, is that you simply want some weird moral validation above the other half of the playerbase.
At literally NO point have i even remotely suggested that you are “suck for playing a video game such as wow” I have been at PAINS to explain exactly the opposite and have clarified over and over and over again.
Yes a major trend in BFA was horde players downplaying blatant atrocities like genocide and torture and engaging in endless whataboutery and insane levels of equivicating. Yes this is troubling. YES it IS troubling if you’re SO immersed in a video game that you can’t let go THAT much that you need to downplay atrocities engage in whataboutery or equivicate so that your RL moral system matches up with your video game. My conclusion has to be that you just don’t know the lore. There’s no conceivable way that you could have played through the different zones on both factions and arrived at this conclusion
I don’t think people get as immersed into the game as you seem to think they do. There’s always a level of disconnect. If there wasn’t, would you have been able to murder a single NPC in this game? This debate is reminiscent of the narrative we heard around the turn of the century; “video games desensitizes children to violence and makes them dangerous.” That’s a myth that has been debunked – and we have plenty of proof of it. I myself grew up with violent games, and it is true that I have been somewhat desensitized to violence – but that’s only true for fictional violence. I don’t deal well with violence in real life and I’m so meek I actually feel bad if I have to kill a bug. Yet I really don’t give a damn about the “people” who burned in Teldrassil. They were redshirts. They weren’t real. Maybe I would have cared if Blizzard actually made an effort to show us the aftermath of the event, but there was nothing.
As for the people who defended Sylvanas… I think this has far more to do with fan culture than with any real life morals. People that like Sylvanas may say stupid stuff to defend her actions. They don’t do it because they believe that “genocide” is okay, they do it because they’re fans of Sylvanas. That’s the extent of their evil.
You are new to the forums right?
We have nelf druids here crying about sylvanas the last 1,5 years.
We also have a few nelf druids that rerolled horde and cry in the tauren/troll druids
I told you before, the story about her + boyking is not over yet. How exactly do you know its not genius ? Ilgynoth in legion first spoke of those two, it goes a long way back.
What i said above, goes as for you as well.
You are both two triggered kids that before a storyline is complete, before you even know what was on the plan you call it BS just because it suit your needs
I… literally asked an honest question and I still have no idea how such a statement still made it seem like I was mad about that of all things. I don’t really care if you have been fighting this ancient war against Nelf players.
Kindly, if you’re capable of it, reserve that attitude to where it belongs and not loading it into a shotgun and spraying it to anywhere you please.
On the same turn, how do we know it is genius? You’re literally defending something as genius because we don’t know what is happening.
How is that genius? That is literally what I am trying to ask and get an answer from you, but all you’ve done so far is somehow throw insults/opinions for daring to ask. Even as I have said before that I respect your opinion as per your post.
Sorry for asking, I guess? If you really don’t want to answer, then resorting to insults and whatever verbal trash you have makes for poor discussion or an answer. Shrug.
There is no attitude here and i dont get why you are triggered by it.
You must be new to the forums if you dont know that for 1.5 year now since BFA we have the whining druuds about sylvie.
Told you literally 3 times: Wait until the storyline is OVER?
Probably late or ending SL.
See, this is where it gets confusing. I too have grown up heavily around violent games and this is a familiar experience. If this entire topic was entirely true and was not just lashing out at something, then WoW would have already been affected with quite the political move and allowance.
Speaking of reminders, it is a callback to when older games such as the earlier GTA were constantly accused to be the major cause of many young RL crimes. Yet this was debunked already due to it being found out as most cases being the fault of irresponsible or difficult parenting. It is never just ‘this game offers violent notions and enforces immoral practices’ and never has been.
This is pretty much the case in more than just WoW and the provided GTA example. Which is why I still don’t get what this thread strives to achieve. Does it want posters to admit it? Does it want posters to profusely apologize? Is it just to troll people yet again? I really don’t know.
The problem is that you didnt realize that im saying what happened + happening and you rushed to take this offensively in yourself because you probably seek something to be offended with.
No, the answer is that guy said so that knows what she done back then in the scourge invasion and that we dont know everything because the plot is not over yet.
Wanna keep arguing with the obvious?
It helps you in some kind of way?
You are the one that found “you must be new here” offensive right?
Right.