It doesn’t really matter to me where Protection Paladin was in the past. Right now he is the best at everything in m+. Only the present matters to me, because Blizzard can change it all at any time.
If you think Protection Paladin only got popular because of the damage increase, you simply don’t understand what makes him so overpowered, especially in high keys. I don’t know what else to tell you. Inform yourself or stay uninformed. It doesn’t matter to me.
We are not looking to just time keys without doing any fancy pull. That’s boring. We want to keep increasing the speed by doing more and more risky maneuvers and gigantic pulls. That works best with Protection Paladins. They are almost unkillable, deal the most damage and stop other members in the group from being one-shot, which is the only real danger in m+ right now.
Its still WAY less overpowered than vdh in s3 df. Also i dont get your point. You keep complaining about a key range that you never did and never will do
That and also given that assa rogues for instance don’t really run iron wire anymore in high keys (even without a pala) also means the interrupt front is covered. At least in theory. And only in a coordinated voice com grp.
Problem arises if people just copy paste. I run Iron Wire because I don’t trust people and it adds a lot of safety and in pugs you should run it generally because you can’t really trust anybody.
Brewmaster Monks indeed deal very good dps, but they still only reach second place after Protection Paladin with almost 100k less dps on average. That’s a very noticable difference.
Where did you get this data? I’m watching warcraft logs, after the nerf of the paladins in the last patch, and I don’t see it. The damage of top paladins and monks is approximately the same, plus or minus in different dungeons.
Also, it’s worth considering the much larger number of good paladin players when they’re meta. if such a number of good players were on the monks, then their best performance would be higher than it is now.
that is, the bottom line is that you can’t say that paladins are in meta simply because their damage is out of competition.
Checking the logs of the big guys and comparing them to the data collection on Archon shows me that Protection Paladins deal around 80k more dps on average across all dungeons +7 to +19 compared to Brewmasters. On the absolute top tier it is even a 120k dps difference.
You have a point when you say that the top players probably don’t even consider playing Brewmasters right now, so we possibly don’t see their full potential. It’s also true that Protection Paladins are top tier not only because of their damage. They bring other things to the table that make high keys manageable.
Paladin is also bringing a battle res, physical external immunity, and off healing. It just has an edge over brewmaster in that department. But when you bring a retri you aren’t bringing a prot. It is more about group composition building on that high key level.
in addition, data should be cut off before the paladin nerf.
and also, you can remember about such an ability of monks as Mystic Touch, and consider how it affects the overall damage of the group.
It was about the fact that paladins in meta are not just because of damage, as stated above.
Don’t get me wrong, the Brewmaster log is impressive, but there are plenty of Protection Paladin logs on EU with 1.400k dps and more, which brings us back to my previously mentioned dps differences on the top tier. They are significant. All tanks - even Brewmasters - need dps buffs right now to be able to compete with Protection Paladin again.
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even in necrotic wake, I see the maximum for paladins after nerf - 1.312k, and for monks - 1.307K. if we add here the additional damage of the entire group from Mystic Touch, we get that the best result from the monk is higher than the best result from the paladin.
Monks definitely don’t need to increase their damage. they are not in the meta for completely different reasons, it’s not about the damage.
Just click on any dungeon on Warcraftlogs, choose either Protection Paladin or Brewmaster Monk as the class, enable Logs Only and click through the characters. Just start with Ara-Kara.
On the first 10 results for Protection Paladins you will already find two logs with 1.350k dps and two more logs with 1.400k dps. Those logs were created AFTER the dps nerfs. Compare that to the first 10 results for Brewmaster Monks, where 1.220k dps is the highest.
Still, Brewmasters take a strong second place in dps for all tanks. They are not the best, but they are underrated for sure. It’s a shame that so few play that spec.
OK, in this dungeon, yes, the difference is big in favor of paladins. in CoT and Tirna too. in the other five, the opposite is true, taking into account the monk’s debuff - the best damage from a monk, on the contrary, is higher than the best damage from a paladin.
What you said can’t be true, because when you choose Grim Batol for example, you will see a similar picture to what you have seen in Ara-Kara. In the first 10 logs for Protection Paladins, the best dps is 1.390k. The highest dps for Brewmaster Monks is 1.180k. So the difference is even bigger there.
and again, I will remind you about the debuff from the monk, which can give an increase in DPS more than this resulting small difference if there are physical dds in the group
Tanks who play at that level are usually multi class players. Meaning that most (or almost all) of them play all 6 tank specs. They will always pick the best class to push with even if that class gives them 0.0000001% edge over the others.
So this statistic means that Paladins are better, but it doesn’t mean that other tanks are useless. It’s the mentality of the WOW community of “if a class is not the best they are useless” is the problem.
But didn’t you say that Brewmaster is better in all the other 5 dungeons? You now posted yourself that Protection Paladin is stronger in one of those 5 dungeons.