Alliance gets 30% warmode bonus (ptr 8.1)

PVP War Mode and World PvP
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Ey, that extra wpvp quest is very welcome!

Because it seems impossible to fix faction imbalance without excessive phasing at wqs for example - it looks lIke Blizz want natural remedies, to nudge things into a more balanced state, without losing the potential for awesome randomness.

That new quest could reduce gank raids in a natural way, with more wanting parties instead. Potentially reducing large outnumbering, but deliberatley not removing the possibilty of being heavily outnumbered. We’ll see! I’ll still gank raid ofc, gotta protect our wqs! It just might be more difficult to form a wpvp raid.

The extra bonus isn’t quite how I thought it would work. But it’s a simple solution for general balance. I’m guessing the idea is to achieve a generally more balanced pool of players with WM on, so that overflow shards are less required. Or just not one faction predominantly needing them. Being in an overflow shard is a bigger issue than getting outnumbered.

Both the changes above might just work out, time will tell!

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Extra 30% is not necessarily going to be for alliance only. I think they give the bonus to an underrepresented faction. It could be Hordes in different servers.

Also, the bonus will last a week and will be evaluated based on what was a faction representations in a previous week. This seems quite fair.

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Ye, it will be interesting to see how it pans out!

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Servers isn’t a thing anymore, it’s the underrepresented faction across all servers for the entire region that gets the bonus. I don’t expect horde to ever get this bonus in EU seeing how large the overall faction imbalance is. Theoretically horde could get it, but it would require a massive amount of people to reroll from horde to alliance.

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Looks like warmode bonus only gives you 20% bonus xp despite tooltip that says 30%. I tested this on my shaman and when I enable warmode I get only 20% more xp per quest.

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So have any horde players noticed the massive influx of 40 man alliance raids running around killing lonely horde players, while having 30% WM bonus and the horde guys still only have 10%? And those 40 man raids tend to make the zones lag like hell. Last night there was an assault in drustvar and the zone lagged like crazy taking 3-4 secs for anything to happen after you click a spell.

Just waiting for horde players to turn off WM and then we’re back at the start, but this time it’s the horde players being ganked.

fix is easy: Remove WM, and bring the old pvp/pve realms back.

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Someone got so used to give @$$-whooping that getting their @$$ whooped is somehow a problem now. Haha, so now all of it suddenly became problems when you got it all in return. Yeah, right

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Try to stay on topic and don’t make troll-ish replies…Thank you.

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I did the assault on 4 alliance characters in Drustvar, the numbers were pretty much even.

Horde had a huge group on people on the western side of the map and Alliance had most people grouped up around their main camp.

But you are saying this like you have never experienced this before. This was literally every single day as alliance when trying to do a champion of azeroth WQs, loads of horde with a couple of bounties in the mix is something you see daily as alliance.

Isn’t it nice to finally be able to kill bounty players as horde though? I can’t imagine you ever saw alliance players with bounties before as horde. Atleast not daily as you do as alliance.

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Yes the assault yesterday in drustvar was cool, but the zone lagged way too much and it kinda killed some of the fun.

And btw those alliance assasins are usually in a 40 man group doing that “kill 25 horde players and get a 370 armor piece” but yeah a few went down in drustvar yesterday. I saw alliance players with bounties before the WM bonus buff, so your statement is false.

As I’ve stated numerous times on the old forums: I don’t engange in ganking players at WQ boss, and I bet the same thing, being ganked, probably happended to a lot of hordes, my self included so it’s even.

But what I find odd is that the alliance players complained so much about being ganked by 40 man horde raids, yet now they do the exact the same… Hypocrite much? - You bet!

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It’s the same type of people on both factions, both will complain when ganked or outnumbered nothing new here.

I do think they should remove the option to create raids though for world pvp. If you create a raid you should only see other people that are in raids aswell.
And you shouldn’t be able to complete the 25 kill quest in raid either, this is probably an oversight that will be fixed.

Neither getting killed or killing people is fun when you are 20+ people. 5 people at most, that is where the fun is.

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It is what it is, I don’t understand expecting WM to be anything other than random carnage. That’s the design. Love it. If you want fair, you have bgs and arenas.

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I will answer it like: “Were you guys selectivly blind when we Alliance went to Zuldazar instead of Stormsong because Horde raid ganking that zone 24/7?”

100 players killed today, did those while in a city raid and I stayed at the WQ solo farming Horde, 65 honor to go for the title. Woohoo.

Ty

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How can I be less on topic if 30% bonus make Alliance whoop hordies, and hordies don’t like it?
Zones lag from raids same as before, no more, no less. Jealous of bigger bonus? - wait a bit, I’ll skew the opposite (probably), then back to Alliance… etc… if this participation is not short-lived.

Alliance gank Horde, Horde gank Alliance - it’s not that different from PvP realms. Now there are more incentives to do so and more places for conflicts, that’s it. And because of that War Mode is much better than old pvp/pve realms - it gives choice and intensives - WPvP is alive as never before, and it’s awesome!

That is your choice. You can’t expect everybody else to play by your rules just because you want them too. It was completely the same on old PvP realms - ganks, camps, etc. All of that just happened less often because there was no incentives to do so. Now there are plenty.

I roam solo ~50% of the time since pre-patch, but it’s because I enjoy unpredictability of what might wait for me after the next corner. War Mode is unscripted PvP. Want scripted “fair” one - there are BGs and Arenas for you. WPvP will never be scripted, that’s the main appeal of it - players create their own content with tools and content provided by the game.

Yes, it means that sometimes it’s 40-man horde raid does the ganking, sometimes it’s Alliance, sometimes both raids meet and … boom! even more FUN.

With that said, it still looks like you’re jealous of 30% bonus and not happy that your safe bubble of Horde only in War Mode is bursting - you can be ganked more often now, deal with it.

No, no hypocrisy. It’s called - Revenge! That’s it.
Plus, you can’t prove that those are the same players who complained, so stop speculating on a non-existent matter, it doesn’t look good.

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There’s still plenty of horde about, you’re acting like it’s ally everywhere 24/7 now cause you can’t do your azerite wqs without some competition now

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I haven’t seen any Horde while leveling this Warrior, which is too bad, I even fly around in order to find somebody I could beat up between lowlevel Arenas or Dungeon Finder but I simply haven’t seen any Horde in Northrend or Outland until now

Edit: Oh I see it’s because RP has seperate shard
Edit2: Oh and thanks for the 30% buff Blizz :3

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I think the one problem is that the 370 quest “against overwhelming odds” seems to be doable while in a raid. So you have 40 man raids running around the zone zerging down small groups of Horde. That’s not fair competition. Make the quest doable for 5 man groups, not raids.

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As soon as horde stops camping all the tortolan npc, maybe making warmode quests fair wil be a good idea. Untill then, enjoy being zerged once (compared to blocking emisaries for alliance)

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I’ve been ganked countless times at neutral tortolan places. Did the same to Alliance players, got the same in return. I’m completely fine with that. That’s what happens in Warmode.

My problem with “against overwhelming odds” is that it explicitly encourages forming 40 man gank raids. For longer, and at certain locations where Horde players are funneled into the meat grinder one after another.

It’s just a poorly designed quest no matter what faction it’s for.

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Today I met first time Tortolan camp by Horde (compared to ~10-ish by Alliance). I really hate this kind of “PvP” but I felt like “you had it coming for some time poor sods”. Level of lame camping done by Aliance is abysmal.

How many solo/duo ally players are out there? You see pure emptiness for hour or two and then blob. And then nothing again… Tried on Horde toon, tried on Ally toon - still the same picture.