I roll on anything that is an improvement for me. some called me ninja but knowing that im a rare healer takes 2min to find a new group i dont know whethere i should carE?
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Ehm alot of Cloth have really good stats…i know up untill wrath it was normal to have a pala in cloth gear…Probably someone who is stuck with the cloth,leather,mail,plate gearing logic from retail.
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My rogue once rolled need on agility/stamina cloth hat.
Upgarde was an upgrade. But to be honest - upgrade is an upgrade and itemisation in classic is as it is. We cannot start acting greedy and lock people on armour types even if we’d love to.
When I played balance druid in vanilla, I did not even blink rolling on caster cloth and in raids I was part of caster team and I was wearing more cloth than leather (at end of vanilla I had like T2.5 set shoulders, i think?) and rest of cloth.
While shaman could have also items from mail and leather, a clothie would point out, then unfortunately options are not as many as you’d imagine.
If it is an actual upgrade, then you roll for it. At later levels there might be situations, where you have alternative options and then it would be polite to pass on other armour type, perhaps. But at this stage no need to feel anything wrong.
Continue with that attitude and you will find out yourself.
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It’s perfectly normal for a shaman to roll need on cloth and leather as often as they do with mail. At 60 a lot of the pre-raid bis items are in fact cloth gear as a resto shaman.
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Ooof. While it’s true that itemization in Vanilla was weighed such that especially casters favor cloth (even when they can wear up to plate), your over-all post at least implies that it’s more than you just rolling for a +Int/+mp5 cloth piece, and more of a “I roll on anything I can remotely justify” thing.
…Which will show you relatively swiftly, if that is what it is, that healers aren’t so special that they can behave like the biggest bozo on the block without repercussions.
On my realm especially, I’ve had the impression that it’s actually healers who are the most common role in groups - at least at the moment. Not once have I had to actively look for a healer for my group (though requests do pop up on LFG), but I have answered a fair few times to “looking for dps” requests.
If anyone can do the “play by my rules, or I leave” spiel, it’s tanks. And even for those, there are limits. Hell, I remember I leveled a warrior in Vanilla just to be able to say “You know what? If you think you can make demands, let me just switch to my tank, let’s kick you from the group, and we’ll finish this dungeon without stuff like ‘I get to keep all green loot, veins, and cloth’.”
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Is that the one from SM Library? I was wearing that one myself until only a couple of days ago. Massive upgrade from a Defias Mask, and if anyone says orherwise, they’re an idiot.
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Yeah was from SM. Was funny to note that cloth hat is a perfect fit, but hey !
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it’s’ generally not a problem but do not roll on bis items for other classes like mage and warlock! many casters in my guild have lost crichton boots to shamans and what not.
I doubt most people know what is what for mage or warlock.
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If you play Shaman Healer, you can roll or +healing power cloth or int/spirit.
If you play Shaman Elem, you can roll or +sp power cloth.
If you play Shaman Melee, you can roll leather agi/ap.
No way you can be a “ninja” for doing that.
Of course, sometime, it’s better to let the priest take stuff in priority if it’s your best friend. But for pug, nope. Just tell pug your intention before doing a dungeon so they will not call you a “ninja looter”.
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Pserver players roll on anything that improves their class. Retail players are stuck in their retail bubble and don’t really understand the game mechanics. Just roll on your BIS stuff and if they complain tell them you can always leave.
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wow at this thread, the greed is real it seems. so much for that classic community spirit. I guess its ok for the plate user to roll on the plate,mail,leather,cloth while the actual cloth users look on and laugh at the crazyness. No wonder certain things were changed and for the better it seems. I’ll make sure i dont run with randoms you disgusting bunch of animals
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If you aren’t tanking - there’s no armor types in Classic. The armor difference between cloth and mail is pathetic, and makes zero gameplay difference for you as a healer/DPS.
The only thing that matters is stats. It wasn’t uncommon for warriors to wear leather, because it gave more agi/DPS. Paladins commonly wore cloth. There wasn’t an arbitrary mechanic like today where you got a debuff for not wearing the correct item types.
So don’t even pay any attention to them. If the item has good stats for you - roll it.
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Find out that he’s still a healer and always on demand whatever ome sore-bottoms say or think?
Find out that even those who got upset about him forget his name and face within a week, and readily group up with him again?
What exactly should he find out? Don’t say that “reputation matters”, because it’s a myth invented long after Vanilla.
One of two things, either;
- you didnt play vanilla
- you’re delusional
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I just want to point out some things.
You are not a ninja for needing on upgrades no matter what type it is. Armor is only important for tanks and in pvp.
Healers are some what rare while leveling but when you hit 60 there are to many healers for dungeons while ranged dps is more rare.
Reputation matters, some times. Don’t go around needing on caster bis that isn’t bis for you as healer but may be an upgrade and you’ll be fine.
So try to make friends with the mages while leveling. If you can have some caster friends you will be way better off when you try to compete with a million healers for healer bis at lvl 60.
It boils down to simple math really. Raids need 25% healers and 5% tanks. Dungeons need 20% healers and 20% tanks.
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NO. because if you’re rolling on Healer stats, that you need, as a Healer role that you’re already partaking in that run, it would be stupid to even humor such an idea.
The only time I think you should refrain is from Spell damage stuff or spell crit, stats clearly aimed towards the Int DPS spec. That’s the part I was careful about, because there is another separate stat that is Only for Healing Done and I don’t know if spell crit helps healers all that much.
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Why wouldn’t you be using the nightscape headband?? I don’t even have a helmet but i’ve had my eye on that puppy for a long time 
(the same was true for my rogue back in the day too!)
To the OP…I mean I get it, of course you want to roll on an upgrade. However just be mindful of other people’s perspective. Cloth wearers only have that to roll on, you have cloth, leather and even mail.
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Depends, whilst leveling, +healing isn’t common. There’s some, but most of it is on weapons I think.
So if I was a caster dps. ONLY able to wear cloth. And a shaman needs on a piece of cloth gear because it has intellect and or spellpower. We’ll have a bit of a problem. As you have plenty of options. This is why you communicate.
“Listen, I know it’s cloth, but it’s a huge upgrade is it alright if I need to?”
Most people will say, sure. Just communicate your intentions. Sometimes a single piece of gear is the only reason for them to even go into a dungeon. It’s classic, be a little considerate. Healers are more common than you think. 
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