No I am mad at the attitdues of the players playing the game today. True there were no BiS back in vanilla, however the was a level of decency which everyone abides by. Players actually cared and passed on loot. Now we have players with your attitude of “If I can wear it is mine”. Truly pathetic attitude to have.
All people have to do is ask the clothies “Do you need it, if not can I need on it please”. However we don’t get that. Maybe I am looking back on the old days with rose tinted glasses and hoping that going back to vanilla/classic would be the same. Sadly it isn’t. The game is pretty much the same, the community however is toxic and full of selfish players.
I agree about the selfish players part. However, a resto shammy needing on cloth even when there’s clothies in the party isn’t selfish to me, it’s just that people are more knowledgeable now. As you said, they can wear three categories of armour. However, they don’t have three times the selection. Hell, they don’t even have 1.5x the selection. Itemisation in Vanilla sucked big time.
Things that I’d class as selfish;
Rolling on offspec gear when someone in party is maining that spec.
Needing on items to sell under the pretense of using it.
Not rolling on rare nodes in a dungeon if multiple people have that profession.
Needing on lockboxes.
You’re not that far from the truth, and i even agree with you in a way. I would never “need” a spell damage item as a healer if one of the dps in my group needed it.
Druids and shamans are exceptions, however. They have both melee and spellcaster specs, plus the usual healing spec. None of the armor types cover all these specs alone, and these players will use whatever armor type they happen to find to improve their character.
Elemental shamans and balance druids are very similar to mages. They use mana and cast damage spells, thus they want to stack lots of int and SD, the very same stats that also mages need. Now, you suggest that this shaman should only “need” mail armors with +str and +agi, which would improve his character as much as stacking int for a warrior, or refuse to gear up altogether? The only reason people run dungeons in the first place (apart from doing quests) is to get new gear that makes them stronger. But wait a minute, if you are a shaman or a druid you’re being selfish by doing that?
Is it really that different if there’s a mage and a warlock in your group vs. a mage and a balance druid, and they both roll on the same gear? They all benefit from stacking spell damage and spell crit in their main spec (even more so than warlocks) but you wouldn’t allow that for them because they have an ability to wear other types of armor as well?
Not gonna lie bud, some people genuinely have no idea. They’ve grown up with Pandas, Cata , WoD, Legion, BfA… You can’t expect them to understand what non tailored loot is, let alone drop the snowflakery attitude bestowed upon them by the previous generation.
I’m with you on the asking ‘do you mind, it’s an upgrade on my current stats’ but at the lower levels ultimately it doesn’t matter. I realise that’s a contradiction but I got annoyed when someone ninjad Purely to DE.
You gotta take it easy bra, no warrior at 60 is gone be rolling on your int gear. Unless they are trolling. You gotta realise Shamans need healing gear because that’s the only min max spec allowed by scrublords on stream.
Unless of course they can ninja that sweet asss 2h from Rag so they can pretend to be dps for a while.
Chillax, spend your time hating on asmon instead - it’s way more fun watching the fanboys cry over it.
Intellect increases your maximum Mana for Mana classes, increases your chance to score a Critical Strike with spells, and improves the rate at which you improve your Weapon Skills. For Warlocks, it will also increase their pets’ Intellect (and their Mana).
You gain 15 Mana for each point of Intellect .
You gain Critical Strike chance at varying points, depending on your class:
Warlocks receive 1% Spell Critical Strike chance for every 60.6 points of intellect .
Druids receive 1% Spell Critical Strike chance for every 60 points of intellect .
Shamans receive 1% Spell Critical Strike chance for every 59.5 points of intellect .
Mages receive 1% Spell Critical Strike chance for every 59.5 points of intellect .
Priests receive 1% Spell Critical Strike chance for every 59.2 points of intellect .
Paladins receive 1% Spell Critical Strike chance for every 54 points of intellect .
You are being dishonest because you keep ignoring my arguments and hide behind “what is right and fair”, while in reality you just want to police the loot rolls.
Your class is restricted to cloth, that is a disadvantage. Other classes are allowed to wear more types of armor in addition to cloth. Blizzard did this for a reason when initially balancing and designing the classes.
Now, you don’t like the fact that you have this restriction and pretend there is a fairness issue, while in reality, you just want all clothing gear for yourself and deny the inherent advantage other classes were given to also wear cloth.
Greed? You are the one that wants to police who can roll what and gets to decide what is fair. I just want everyone to roll need if you need the item, it does not get any fairer.
I am objectively assessing the situation, while leaving feelings out of the equation. You are the one requesting preferential treatment to make up for some perceived class " weakness" you don’t like.
You should have rolled Druid if you don’t like your class, your life would have been so much easier /s.
I am arguing for your cause, you realize that, right? Being able to wear more types of armor is an advantage, even though, as you said, it is not always useful depending on your spec.
It’s you who believe that among 5-7 thousand server population your name would be known and remembered for extended amounts of time.
now THAT I call delusional. Nobody cares about you. No matter what you do. At the very most, 4 people in your group will ignore you - and then a month later won’t be able to tell what you did that made them ignore you. The rest of the server won’t care. If you try to tell them, accuse you in chat - you’ll get more people ignoring YOU than the one who you’re trying to create trouble for.
The “community” literally doesn’t give two flying F-s about you, your troubles, people who upset you or people that you’ve upset.
And it’s always been like that.
You want to believe the “reputation” fairy tale? By all means, do so. But calling me delusional while you believe in rainbow unicorns is just a bit pathetic.
I’d feel bad rolling on cloth gear as a pala even as holy. Think of all those poor mages and other clothies who can only roll on cloth, they already have to compete with all the other mages now imagine throwing druids, shamans and palas into the mix
More empathy for our mage friends please !
I am a healer druid and if i need something and i know an item can improve my healing then yes i do select need and it doesn’t matter if it’s cloth or leather. As dpser not that much, though.
Pointless trying to talk to someone so set in their ways that they aren’t open to facts.
It’s a shame really that you are behaving like this in this thread. There are plenty of people here that are arguing using logic , facts and try to make you see the error of your way, but somehow you are just spurting rhetoric and close yourself of from this discussion.
IMHO cloth is first and foremost for cloth users, We need to respect that. Likewise Leather is for leather users first.
You might be able to downscale your gear, but us clothies can ONLY use cloth. Sure need on it when nobody else. But if you decide to just grab what you can when other classes are limited to cloth only. yeah I would kick you in an instant and blacklist you as a ninja. Need before Greed always, but also respect other players who are limited due to their classes’ armor
Please point me towards caster shoulders with spelldamage that aren’t cloth. Are you saying elemental shamans or moonkins can’t wear Kentic Amice?
Or are you saying they should make a group and fill it with rogues, hunters and warriors only, to get their spelldmg gear?
“LFM 2 DPS BRD, no casters!”
