If nobody wants the specific cloth item then go ahead.
okay, somebody gotta tell me what this forced meme actually is, like right about now
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Which is completely irrelevant, since there’s more cloth options across the board for you to get than shaman or druid have in leather or mail. open loot lists and see - its like when you level you see warriors in full awesome agi mail, whereas half rogues run around in some empty slots. And later on you have so much more cloth options than int mail potions.
Seeing only armour type as the default option is very limited and wrong.
Used to be a thing too in past. I used to do UBRS groups for my balance druid like that, solo heal it, have hunters, rogues, warriors, feral druids, ret paladins etc in it.
No, you can only be a ninja if you chug a noggenfogger elixir.
It’s not ninja’ing if it’s an upgrade for your main-spec/role, in my opinion at least. Cloth often has the best caster stats, even more so during leveling so there’s no helping it if you want to get upgrades.
Holy paladins (for example) are called “clothadins” for a reason.
Of course if it’s only a minor upgrade for me (or not main-spec) I end up passing on stuff. Like yesterday in inner Maraudon the plate legs dropped (str/stam/nature res). The tank seemed extremely happy that they dropped so I decided to pass on them, even though I was there as a dps and they were better than what I had. You know, just to be nice 
No you are not. Leather and mail generally had really bad stats for healers/casters back then, so keep on rolling. Aylish had a lot of cloth equipped back in vanilla/TBC, until they changed it.
I play priest on classic, but played resto/balance druid in vanilla. Sounds like you have no idea how this worked/works.
Leather and mail armor does not support caster and healer roles well at all. There is pretty much no gear to equip for these roles, hence you will, as a caster druid and shaman, roll on cloth.
I am playing priest this time around, and I will gladly let shaman and druid casters roll on cloth, otherwise they’ll be running around without gear pretty much.
Oh sorry, I forgot about paladins, but yeah, holy paladins also wear cloth.
Actually, I’d say other classes are just as much at a disadvantage(if not more), for the sole reason druids, shamans and paladins end up wearing a large chunk of cloth… while having to defend themselves rolling on cloth = last in line for upgrades.
Last paragraph was suppose to come with a quote/reply to someone… oh well.
I would say if it is a marginal upgrade leave it to the clothies. Otherwise it is fair game.
No. A Resto Shaman will have a mix of cloth, mail and leather for pre-bis.
what people need to understand is it nothing to do with Greed , itemisation is complete fubar untill AQ 40 in classic wow.
warrior DPS plate for example does not exist in the game untill late on.
warrior pre bis is leather , paladin/shaman pre bis is cloth/leather. theres no getting way from it , its how the game is.
a paladin in a dress was not a meme , it is the optimal way to play the game.
What I do is always roll need on stuff that is good for hpala/rsham, even if its cloth or whatever. If dps stuff drops while healing I’ll just ask if I can need for offspecs (aka leveling gear).
If we were to listen to ppl like Holynuttz us non-cloth healers would still be stuck with lvl 20 healing gear at lvl 50+
If you need… You need. It’s a game, takes some time and you can always do it again…
Imo Cloth classes deserve those pieces more than you, because you all are running that dung in that moment in specify composition. If you want cloth you should make your own group without cloth or even say you will roll cloth before dung.
^ There’s no such thing as deserving cloth
The biggest resource in Classic is your time and you should never surrender your bargaining power because people will screw you over to extract as much energy from you for their own benefit.
Your going to encounter the retail crowd that want to force you to be their slave.
Retail WOW is all based on individualism. Once you’ve moved past 1 stage there is no reason for you to help and assist others so you move on. So in retail you don’t need to worry about making enemies in dungeon groups. You just push a button and your in a new group. There is no penalty for exploiting people. Where as in Classic people need people because there is no automatic social mechanic that binds players together.
So imagine this. You start a LBRS group. You find 3 DPS. You find a tank but he wants to exploit the group for his own needs. The healer (You) refuses to skip bosses. The tank leaves and then 1 member of the group throws a temper tantrum that you’ve wasted their time and gives you 20 lines of abuses.
And yes I experienced that in Classic this week. Its just the BFA transition of personal qualities coming into the vanilla realm.
Now imagine this …
I made it clear to a group for the Stratholme dungeon, that I was a Holy Protection Paladin. 31/20/0 spec. I said I could tank but my main spec was a Healer and I want to join for healing loot. They agreed. The moment I rolled on leather healer gear they freaked out and called me a ninja looter.
Why did they do this? Its simple. When players are forced into the position where they have to compete with others they get angry because there are no assurances that when they loose a roll they will get another run to get the same loot in a joint effort. So they try and put your in their box to extract your energy and resources. Don’t play be these rules. Just say … Go Back to Retail … and HS out.
But I’ll leave the worst till last.
I joined a dungeon group where one Paladin asked me what Buffs I had. I replied I had BOK. He said could you bless. I then changed my raid blessing to BOK. He then threw a temper tantrum that he didn’t want me to BOK the whole raid and started making character assassination attempts. There is a clear example of intimidation by the kind of player that has zero to no social respect for another human being and its all engineered since WOW-Cataclysm … and what was the Cataclysm? Well the community moving away from collaboration to individualism.
If I was to sum Retail WOW up in a few words these would come to my mind:
“I’ve got mine so screw you”.
That is essentially how you spot a retail player. If they refuse to help you get your loot after they’ve got theirs they are 100% retail.
In comparison today I got the spell damage trinket from UBRS (Briarwood) However when I heard the Warlock lost it 8 times I stayed in the group for a further 5+ runs until it dropped for the Warlock. Most players would of just left.
In the process of doing multiple runs until I was near asleep I made 5 new friends! And tomorrow? Well we are going to do UBRS rend runs until Truestrike Shoulders drop and so a Warrior can get his DPS gear.
Mean while your average retail player is wondering why he/she hasn’t got any mates.
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As a leveling healer, up to dungeons with ±55 lvl loot, you, as rdru / rsham, is a cloth wearer, thanks to nearly non existent leather / mail healing loot. If M/W/P have problems with that, then:
- let them heal the rest of the dungeon
- give them Blizzard’s email for complaints
- as last resort send them to a common address, 3 letters, starts with “A”, ends with “S”.
When you reach an endgame, discuss the loot rolls after party/raid filled, but before you go. Saves both their time and yours.
if you are resto/elemental you are not wrong for rolling on cloth/caster loot, period…
people telling you so are simply retarded and need to go back to BFA where such trends of thoughts belong.
Vanilla is a vastly different game than modern retail, and if someone shat on you for rolling on i.e a 1%+ spellcrit belt then all you have to say is “there is no such item in leather/mail quality”… if they still don’t believe you, then tell them to look it up.
they can stomp their feet, they can argue, they can scream and rage all day long, but it doesn’t change the fact that most BiS caster/healing items for shaman is leather and cloth.
in fact, most of the mail gear in the game is absolute trash with the exception of that one mail chest from BRD that (FOR SOME REASON) is always rolled on by warriors and hunters, despite clearly being designed for Shaman… but i guess that “loot priority rule” is thrown out the window when it comes to those classes…
roll on a leather “rogue” item as shaman? you’re a ninja.
roll on a mail item as warrior? no problem bro, gz, you deserve it for carrying us all the way to the arena even if you wipe us a million times by charging into 2-3 groups of mobs for the rest of the dungeon.
double standards at its best.
If you are the healer and healer upgrades drop for you then, as far as I’m concerned need to your hearts content regardless of class.
If you are needing for off spec, then get back in your box and let the healer have first dibs and possibly other clothies, as it might be an up for them although not ideal stats.
If you are needing to DE that’s just being a douche.
Needing on things outside of your armor class is dick move in my view. Unless the other person has specifically stated they do not need it themselves, you should not need it.
To do so is to demonstrate that you put your own personal desires over the benefit of others, which is selfish. Pretty cut and dry.