So i should run in strength gear on my hpala/rsham in dungs? The cloth gear often benefits me as much as them, especially with lack of leather/mail/plate healing-sufficient gear
Yeah , you should wear STR and STA when you heal . And when you wipe the whining starts from the tank : oh you bad healser , you did not heals me , why u bad healserâŚ
Just need on the cloth that has MP5 and heal bonus , sometimes on INt and SPIâŚ
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Cloth is pretty much the ONLY gear they have access to!
Paladins, druids and shamans have to roll on cloth if they are healing or doing caster dps. You should try playing one, and you will quickly realize why they roll on those items.
Besides, it is no different than clothies running with clothies. If you donât want paladins, druids and shamans in your group because they roll on âyourâ gear, have fun rolling against the mages, warlocks and priests you get left withâŚ
Its normal in Classic. Alot of cloth is BiS for Shamans, Paladins, Druids healers. Same with DPS: Shamans, Hunters and Warriors often share same pre-raid BiS leathers. Itemisation was lacking in vanilla, and alot of classes had to wear lower armor class gear.
People who complain about healer rolling on cloth are oblivious of what game they play.
No. But you should not take an item away from people who have no other options.
Cloth users have no other choice than to roll on cloth. You do. Like I said, pretty cut and dry.
Best items for healing are usually cloth, so yes why would i settle for worse and leave best for others?
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Yeah, and even still it wasnât uncommon to see paladins and druids in Cloth in the raid in WOTLK.
They may have improved the gear significantly - but they still had this problem of the off-set items being BIS for your class, even if they werenât intended for you.
It isnât just a coincidence that they invented the awesome emchanic of 5% mainstat buff for wearing the right type of gear. They did it because they just couldnât prevent people from wearing cloth and leather off-sets.
Well this issue wouldnât exist if there was a good amount of viable mail/plate healer gear dropping from dungs, but thatâs not at all the case. So needing on cloth gear thatâs an improvement for non-cloth healers seems pretty fine imo
The huge majority of healer gear is cloth and if youâre the healer you roll on stats that are good for healers.
You ask if you want to roll on gear thatâs for your off spec, not your main one.
Iâm a priest healer, I donât roll on shadow damage cloth or weapons if thereâs another priest, or a lock in the group who want it. If Iâm not the healer on that occasion, I do roll on it.
I wouldnât roll need on something thatâs mostly intellect when thereâs a mage in the group either, if they need it.
Donât roll on cloth suited to a healer if Iâm the healer and youâre a dps shamen in that particular group, but if youâre doing the healing and Iâm wanding, feel free.
Thatâs how it works in vanilla imo. Healers arenât supposed to get hit.
Of course mages, shadow priests and warlocks donât return the favour and will roll on something that is a huge spirit upgrade for me and practically nothing to them, just because itâs blue, but thatâs wow and I have an ignore list.
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Relevant.
To some people, spirit cloth only belongs to priests, despite the fact that 90% of all cloth items have spirit on them.
Guess everyone else but priests just have to run around nekkid or something.
Need for upgrades for your main spec you are using in the dungeon, always, armor class makes no difference in classic but for few classes. Definitely not for healers though, youâre not supposed to be facetanking mobs, you want the most mana efficient build and oomph in your healing spells and mana regen and cloth gear has the bis stats. Donât let people tell you otherwise. You can always ask to roll for off spec loot or need if nobody else can use the specific armor.
Just donât be a douche and ninja caster gear if you play enhancement shaman for instance when other people joined the instance just to get some good gear.
thats a selfish view on things
Well, they should really say so ahead of time because it probably will get needed by someone else who needs it regardless.
Actually for a healer yes it IS perfectly fine. The armour value of a piece comes out of the item budget just as much as the +int which means for a healer âlesserâ armours are often the best.
Indeed. And what does the armor value even mean to people rather than the actual main stats it has? Armor is only important in tanking. And in classic thereâs no such thing as healer plate gear, holy paladins will have to run around in a dress, they canât heal naxx in strenght gear. There is no such thing as armor specialization either that gives bonus stats for full armor set of specific type of armor.
Cloth has the stats healers need, other armor types not so much, if at all.
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Not rolling on Spirit gear doesnât mean locks and mages go naked lol. Locks can roll on int/stam and mages prioritise intellect. As priest I prioritise spirit over intellect, so if something is 10 int 4 spi Iâll give the mage or lock priority, if itâs 2 int 15 spi I hope theyâd return the favour.
Although some warlocks do rely on more spirit than we might expect if they are levelling a specific spec (something to do with drain soul, I forget exactly) , so it depends on their levelling choice.
Thereâs no need to exaggerate claims. 
Point me int/stam cloth gear existing in dungeons outside lv60 and I will happily roll on those lol. I canât even craft myself int/stamina gear, it simply doesnât exist outside âof the eagleâ green drops. If it does exist, itâs not very numerous at all. If itâs cloth, it basically has spirit tacked on it.
Whitemaneâs Chapeau, Robes of the Lich, Gemburst Circlet, Jumanza Grips, Grimlokâs Tribal Vestments, Deathmage Sash, Minerâs Hat of the Deep, Stoneweaver Leggings, Deathâs Head Vestment, Satyrmane Sash, Forgotten Wraps⌠These are the dungeon boss drops at 35-45 that have int/stamina. Now take a wild guess how many of these donât have spirit on them?
4 items donât have spirit on them. Just 4. Only 4 items.
Obviously Iâm not going to roll on spirit heavy cloth gear, because those are not upgrades since my main stats are intellect and stamina for aoe grinding. But if int/spirit piece drops and itâs a clear upgrade over my current piece, then ye Iâm gonna roll need on that.
Was going to say of the eagle, but youâre a mage and thereâs a lot of stuff that has more intellect than spirit on it. What youâre saying is fine. Itâs unlikely something with a ton of spirit on it will have more intellect than you already have, itâll be gear thatâs around 50/50 or that has more int than spirit that will be an upgrade, as itâs the intellect stat youâll be mainly interested in.
If you swap out something that has 8 intellect on it, for something that has 4 intellect and 10 spirit, youâre nuts imo. However if a staff drops that has 10 intellect and 15 spirit and all you have is a dagger with +4 frost damage, Iâll expect you to roll on the staff. We have to be sensible about these things. 
Obviously, but yea, if some people yell at others for mages and locks rolling on cloth loot with spirit on them, they really gotta take a look at the itemization in wow lol.
Iâm just not gonna waste time trying to get 4 different rare drop items from 4 different dungeons just so a healer doesnât feel unhappy I won a roll on an upgrade for me too. =p
I even had to hit the ah just to get eagle gear so I could have int/stamina gear for aoe grinding, I was tired of having horrible gear for my level and not having enough mana pool or health for bigger pulls. Iâm basically wearing all greens.
Its obvious players from Cata to BFA just do not understand Classicâs gear mechanics.
You should ignore the vast majority of comments on this thread. Just need on the items that give you the best stats and be done with it.
Every melee and range class that does physical damage goes after Truestrike Shoulders. By not taking them you severely nerf yourself by keeping inside the WOW-expansion looting system.
In Pre-Raid Holy Paladin and Resto Shamans wear around 50% cloth.
People from pservers and old timers who played since 2004 know a lot more about the game than those transitioning from retail.
If verdant footpads drop in strat with their +37 healing I will be rolling over druids at every turn. Call me a ninja but at least my guild can take down Onyxia with 24 people.
Itâs always those pesky Paladins , broken class that rolls on Cloth. Then blames others that itâs their BIS cause they are retarded and broken and wanted to play a Broken class when everyone else had a brain to pick otherwise, Broken asf. Why play a class, that is plate, and that has to wear BIS Cloth? Avoid paladins like the Plague. Terribad.
Luckily I dont have to roll against a Paladin, but I feel so sorry for cloth wearers who roll against a gimped Paladin, cause it is their âBISâ on a rare item, and then miss muffit above says, its usual to see thisâŚ
Just admit Paladins, Shamans and Druids suck nuts end game.