Why do you keep throwing M+ at me like it means anything? You can do a +10 a week and get the same ilvl of gear as someone doing +20.
That’s what average and bad means so sure.
I don’t disagree. Hunter is in a horrible spot. At least they’re solid in PvP.
Every class should have a viable spec.
OP thinks that only the top 3 classes in a raiding situation are good and everything else is bad (they clearly stated average = REALLY BAD), regardless of how they perform in Mythic+.
Let’s make Veng viable again then. That seems to solve the Havoc problem aswell? I don’t know how that works, but I agree. Gogo buff Veng, always loved that spec.
Why do I keep throwing M+ in? Because it’s part of the content, why are you completely disregarding it when talking PVE? A lot of people run mythic+'s. I can see you’re more raiding focused, but you seem to be completely disregarding a large part of PVE content. You say that’s what “average” and “bad” mean, but you’re branding something as bad, even if the difference isn’t that high. If there was a MASSIVE gap then I would say yea you have a point, but the gap isn’t really that large so I don’t see why you’re focusing so much on that?
It definitely offers more avenues for DHs, who right now are stuck with an average spec, while other classes have 2 or 3 viable ones.
So is Legion raiding, but neither is relevant towards the endgame. I can complete a +10 in my tank spec, DPSing.
Because it’s all relative.
When 6 classes are ahead people are going to take those, which is exactly what happens.
Because you’re only looking at the DPS numbers and ignoring that those classes are ranged and take less damage, and also have superior CC and offhealing.
Legion raiding is not relevant to current content though so that’s just negligible. Great you can complete a +10 in tank, I don’t quite understand what your point is here? I can run the bosses once a week in each difficulty, I can repeatedly spam +10’s or higher and still receive 400+ gear, so I would say that’s is most definitely relevant towards the endgame. It is relative, and relatively speaking they’re not that far away from each other in performance so I still don’t see your argument of “average” or “bad” really working here. I think this will be my last post, as it appears you have created this topic with the pretense of “facts” then peddled your own opinion as fact repeatedly throughout this thread then tried to talk down anyone who offers an alternate view.
+10 is easy as shi t and there’s no point going higher.
No, please don’t leave!
U want logs? check the gear u had, 2/3 raid bis azerite gear+tier ring+cloak while i was having 3 crap 385 pieces. So basically ur guild seems that wants u to get geared and u still complain about me when probably the timing in your kill was 1 Min faster so it means that the DPS lose after meta expiring affected way more on my logs than on yours, the number on ur log is meaningless, i had to do some mecanics aswell on my guild, had to use the inmune, had to go away coz of the boss tank throw etc… if you want to compare logs you’re not doing it on the right way… i also love ur logs on champions and opulence, nice 15% and 12% percents, pure skill.
Oh and ofc u probably have better HC logs, but who tf cares about HC logs, in MM the only log u got better than mine is on grong, and i already explained you why. Also u been top 2 dd on a ST boss on mythic and STILL CRY ABOUT the class you’re a joke man.
The difference between my logs and your logs is that i play for my guild, so if i have to sacrifice my DPS to kill a boss i do it, we’re on progress who TF cares about progress logs??? meanwhile for what i see, you guild plays a lot for you
DK: How many DK did u see in Method WF Race out of Mekkatorke?
In PvP: only UH is viable.
On M+: only Blood coz of his high sustain+combat ress, take that CR out from DK and u will see how his popularity in M+ drops.
Its basically a ‘Waahhhh my spec isn’t number one in everything it needs buffing’ when as a matter of fact theres several specs and classes that sorly need buffs to even make them somewhat competitive in any PvE/PvP
Death’s advance?
Your gear is your own fault, if you knew how to play the game you’d have saved 5 bonus rolls week 1 and gotten the Azerite you needed + a 415 with Residuum.
Anyhow, I out DPS you on literally every fight you’re logged on and I bet I take less damage and die less than you do.
But I see you’re packing high ilvl trinkets now, so no excuses this week.
I have never been the type to pad, and my playstyle typically sacrifices DPS to avoid taking damage and straining healers. Which is why in our raids I usually take little avoidable damage and focus on avoiding personal mistakes. And yet I still do pretty good.
What do my personal logs have to do with the overall logs? Maybe I was #2 because someone f*cked up. The class is 6th highest in BoD. It’s average.
As i told you, ofc you can’t see my mythic logs since my guild uploads them in private, you have only 1 log better than me in mythic, and it’s grong, in Jadefire my logs are better, CoL my logs are better, haven’t killed Opulence yet, but i bet my logs will be also better even when my guild makes me take the ruby instead of opal
1- I came back after 1 month break 1 week before BoD release
2- Even when i bought 415 azerite gear i got trash pieces that were simulating lower DPS than the 385 i have.
3- It took me 3 saves to get my 1st Azerite piece of raid just bc of bad luck on bonus rolls or bc my guild gave it to another player from the roster.
4- Don’t tell me that i don’t know to gear, bc i did more +10 runs 2 saves ago than you in the entire season (1373 io s2 vs 479 io s2) so there isn’t a magic way to get bis pieces apart from luck, in raid you have 2 chances/week (kill+bonus roll) and in m+ you must have the luck to get the piece you need, something that doesn’t happen too much.
PD: forgive my lack of skill mr “i can’t reach 2k in a season when my class is top tier and i say it’s bad coz underrepresented” dunno, maybe i’m wrong but having good gear has nothing to do with skill, you can be good and have bad luck on gearing and you can be trash and have luck on gearing and still say that your class needs a buff coz u are not r1 DPS in every single scenario (wink wink)
Of course they are.
I reached Duelist, actually. 2116. First arena season I ever competed in.
Never said bad. Said undertuned, which it still is.
Representation will always show which classes are better due to FOTM rerollers.
You make your own luck. I see you have a lot of excuses.
It’s luck, it’s private logs, it’s bla bla bla.
I’m a CE raider, you didn’t even kill Mythrax. In June I didn’t even have a WoW account.
Better luck this tier.
Mythic raiding it’s an issue of 20 ppl, if you want to check my logs on zuul you will se what i was doing, also if you check them again (in that guild were public) you will se we stopped raiding 2 weeks bfore christmas and after the 1st save on BoD when we came back the guild disbanded, compare logs on Uldir and we can see a lot of ur trashtalk bro. As u say, they’re not excuses they’re FACTS
My M Uldir progression is so far away we might as well compare WOTLK gearscore.
Progressing M Uldir is closer to my account being created than to today.
I’d rather check what you’re doing now.
Waaah wahhh waaahh “mEth0d uSe 1 dH” wahh waahh wahh “My cLasS iS not oP eNoUgh” wahhh wahh wahh
Thats what i see.
One spec is useless, the other is average and a third doesn’t exist.
You’re delusional.
Havoc lost all the fun for me since start of bfa, because I enjoyed eye beams with no cd with my head legendarie. Now it’s gone.
Vengeance is just a lackluster. I don’t know man, tanks are in a terrible state in this expansion in terms of being interesting to play, but vengeance is just one step ahead of being awful at both fun gameplay and the actual tanking. I’m pretty sure if they would make fel devastation baseline as a part of actual rotation with lower cooldown (and lower spell power ofc) that would be great. But now I just see my panel is half empty. This bfa is a ******* land of lost opportunities.
Eh, it’s fun to play and I can tank +10s just fine ( for which I’m overgeared ) but if it’s not viable in a raid it needs buffs.