Anyone very displeased with the current state of DH?

Ok, I’m glad you enjoy your class, but for me veng is the worst thing I’ve ever seen.

Re-roll to the next fotm class/spec then. Just because you are paying customer doesn’t meant that they should know your preferences and buff your class.
Reroll or quit.

Or you can stop trolling and go away.

And Havoc hasn’t been fotm since Legion.

I barely have any issues being at least top 3 in dps meters, and I doubt any average DH does really, even though it’s primarily ST yeah. CT is a good booster, especially when lusting on pull. Same goes for Treacherous Covenant, it’s quite a large boost to agility → more damage on everything.

Depends on what you play. Like in 3s there are many dhs now, especially after mana changes. That said though, it’s more because of mana rift and overall pressure rather than being able to land a kill. In 2s it’s worse; melees like warrior almost never leave your healer, while you have to do that every now and then. Quite abysmal overall without a partner.

I already linked logs that put DH behind 5 classes in BoD Mythic.

Being 6th out of 13 classes when you only have 1 working spec is laughable.

There’s only 3 DHs in top 200 for 3v3.

It’s laughable.

So you are not topping the meters every fight! Thats why you are so angry and edgy!

Can i ask you what do you hope to achieve with this topic?

When I only have 1 viable spec and other classes have 2-3 I expect to be better than average yes.

The same thing anyone posting in a class forum expects to achieve. Change.

You could still go for Demonic Appetite + Furious Gaze + Eyes of Rage Traits. Since it was buffed from 0.7 to 1.4 seconds cd reduction per Fragment (at least in raids) it’s even stronger than Blind Fury and closely to Legion Antorus gameplay.

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Will try. Ty

Swap that to “a buff so DHs are always #1 on any meter”, suits your topic better.

Didn’t say #1 but we have literally only 1 viable spec. So that spec should be among the best.

Not average.

You can PvP as Frost or Fire, or PvE as Fire and Arcane. All 3 of your specs are good for something.

We have 2 specs, 1 is utter trash and 1 is average in raids.

If you can’t see the issue here you’re a troll.

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:sweat_smile::rofl::joy:

Guess you are, then. Now go away.

If you use an “argument” or statement like that, you basically toss your whole credibility down the drain.

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My argument was well written and makes sense. If you choose to ignore it you just prove my words right. Now stop trolling.

“You either agree with me or you’re a troll” Who’s trolling there?

Btw, if you think all 3 specs are equally viable, see the M+ boards f.e. :). If you don’t go frost…

No, you’re a troll if you think it’s okay for a class to have 2 specs and neither to be above average. And they’re not even average, Vengeance is straight garbage.

M+ is meaningless. +10 gives the same rewards as +20, so why is M+ relevant ?

Doing +20s isn’t going to get you CE.

Could you name your dh ? Well my main is DH and I can say its the worst dps for pve beaten by rogues - hunters - monks - warlocks - mages -retri paladins - dk’s -ele shamans - ferals - almost all classses. Also so low for mythic raids.

Eh. No. We’re middle of the pack. Behind Warlocks, Rogues, Elemental, Balance and I think Mage ( don’t know them by heart ).

But for a class that only has 2 specs, one of which is trashtier, to be middle of the pack is ridiculous.

If I’m going to be limited to 1 spec for years at least make it a top spec, not average.

So the game should be filled with WW monks, Retri Palas, Spriests and DH’s? Uhm… Well I’m glad you’re not in charge of balance to say the least.

DH is in a fine state for me. If you don’t like it then just play a different class really.

We do extremely well on certain bosses and our dps is more than fine for Mythic in general. Get some gear and you’ll be simming 23-24k in no time, doing enough dps to do any content in the game.