What are you on about? All those classes have good specs, except for DH. DH is literally the only one with only 1 good spec.
No thanks, I’d rather make a thread where I say what’s wrong with them, that’s the point of a class forum.
No we don’t. We’re only 2nd on Opulence, everything else we’re far behind.
DH is like 6th best DPS in BOD.
Ty, btw. Feels a lot better.
As long as i’m not consistently in the bottom of the dps meters, i’m happy. thankfully i’m not i’m always mid - top.
For tanking though, i’d love to be viable in mythic raids without gimping the raid heavily.
If you play any other tank high end (apart from druid maybe), its like playing the game on easy mode until you swap to DH. Content you breeze through, you start to turn into a sweaty mess when using a DH. The whole Sigle thing just doesnt work in raid, we have low armor and gaps in mitigation.
Arcane omegalul
ht tps://www.warcraftlogs.co m/character/id/5289801?mode=detailed&zone=21#metric=dps
The 4th best mage in Mythic BoD plays Arcane
ht tps://www.warcraftlogs.c om/zone/rankings/21
5th and 9th best DPS are DH
according to your stats all star points mean what are best classes bc if an arcane mage has good all star points and is 4th mage then thoose 2 DH are gods 
Curious because there’s only one DH in the top 10 out of all bosses.
You can see Arcane on like 4 bosses in the top 10 for Mages. So clearly it’s playable and competitive, rendering your ‘omegalul’ stupid, which is not shocking.
my friend you should check logs and perform better.
in my opinion blue mythic logs are in no position to complain about class performance in raiding. do better and you’ll enjoy it more. i would bench myself if i would continually pull blue logs. i read the post about method not using more dhs…there is absolutely no melee class that is a must have for DPS reasons.
i need to stop entering these forums…trying to talk sense to what must be a teenager is pointless. 127 replies…if those didn’t make it i doubt mine will.
after reading through another post…you say we’re underrepresented in mythic raiding. well since you probably made that crap up i took a bit of time and fact checked. we are the most played dps class in mythic raiding . 70k havoc parses, 45kish warlock, 40kish shadow priest, 45kish rogue.
what the frack are you smoking? dh is currently the most played class in BFA by far.
sure we’re not ideal in pvp but we have to be bad at something.
i believed you’re trolling but now i’m half sure you’re just bad.
now i’m closing this forum for a few months
Oh yeah I forgot you need to be in the top 0.01% to have a say in what is evidence. That’s not how it works. This isn’t a matter of opinion.
Check the logs for BoD and you’ll see that DHs underperform in every fight compared to the top specs. Even on Opulence we’re far behind Ele Shams.
Nice Opulence logs mate. What happened there? You’re giving me your trash opinion when you’re logging green numbers, omegalul.
Why are you looking at ALL guilds who Mythic raid? Look at the guilds at the top, those are the ones who min max. Which will tell you which classes are the best.
i play with the ruby orb mate, it’s called team play:)
you’re one of those dps that has not evolved yet.
wanna be the best on the meter? re-roll and play the best class available, absolutely nothing stops you from doing that.
we are well enough rounded as it is compared to other melee classes.
most guilds in the top 15 have 3 to 5 dh’s over 410 ilvl in their rooster.
again, what are you on about?
it doesn’t even matter what the top does for us plebs, they are in a race to do it with the best tools available. not the case for you and me.
if we were better the other melee classes would fall so far behind it wouldn’t even be interesting.
Or we could just balance and uptune classes that are behind? If melees are say 5% behind ranged why WOULDN’T you buff melee dmg by 5%?
Of course it does. It shows those classes are better.
@ op Awar, enh sham fdk and sub rogue are way worse than DH.
Not sure if you trolling or not.
DH is simple and way too powerful for how simple it is. If you want to snare and burst, take another class.
Dh is were it need to be, tho a little dmg nerf would be appreciated.
It was op in Legion and I feel sorry for all the DH that truly thought it was going to stay like that. You will never have snare neither burst for you are an ultra mobile and sustained dps class.
Since 90% of your ways to survive a fight are passive, of course it can be as strong as say dk and ret.
+blur is lowkey op on a 1min cd.
Stop crying and try others classes/spec, it’ll open your eyes 
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Apart from Warrior those 2 classes have specs that are better. They have the option to be better. I don’t have another DPS spec.
All classes are simple, don’t be ridiculous. Warrior is even more faceroll than DH is, especially in PvP.
Lol, it’s already behind on most fights ( especially ST ) and you want a damage nerf? Are you out of your mind?
Blade Dance has like 15% uptime. You’re not surviving anything if you get focused without an active defensive. Blade Dance is only there to make up for the lack of passive damage reduction other classes have.
Barkskin and Astral are just as strong and those classes take far less damage due to being ranged.
It doesn’t change the fact that DH dps spec is better than most melee class.
Right, every spec is now simple, tho if you’re talking about arms then no, it’s less faceroll than DH. What do you mean « especially in pvp » ?
I don’t do pve and it looks like you’re talking about it. I really don’t know/care about pve. In pvp tho, I can assure you that, if anything, DH needs a slight dmg nerf.
I was referring to your leech too. No defensive stance that reduce your dmg, no feint that needs energy, no heals that need time to cast/mana. All your way to survive are passive and are exploited while doing your normal rotation. It then logically follows the old rule of passives being weaker than actives. You even have a talent to turn one of the only active you have into a passive that auto proc under a certain % life. And don’t you have a chance to proc a soul fragment from your target that heals you for 20% or smtg ? (Not sure about that one tho).
Indeed Barskin shouldn’t be given to a class that can Bear form anytime. But would WoW be WoW if druids hadn’t unfair advantage in pvp ?
Still with darkness, Blur, leech, Rain, mobility as a whole and blade dance (+soul fragment ?) you remain one of the most capable melee in the game.
And havoc is an excellent pick for M+, not sure why you can’t seem to find any group that wants you.
And that’s a problem, yes. Melee all need to be better. This has been an issue since forever.
How is it less faceroll?
You use Mortal on cooldown, then overpower, then ragedump slam. It’s basically the same rotation, except my Mortal is Blade Dance and my Slam is Chaos Strike.
I think it’s pretty clear cut. Demon Hunters have some utility and you need to know when to use it, as well as position yourself properly for it. Arms just tunnel visions and uses fear for chain CC sometimes.
DH only does good sustain damage if it can cleave. With a spell cleave meta that’s not happening, and a Warlock/Priest can match my DPS while doing single target damage. So no.
Also we have no burst.
Our leech is mostly negligible in PvP. Classes like Fury, DK, Shadow, Boomkin, Elemental are equally tanky/self healy to us.
You need said ‘energy’ to do damage and leech.
On the other hand if you can’t hit something you can’t heal. A Paladin/Monk/Boomkin can run in LoS and heal themselves. I can’t. I also can’t heal when you bubble, cause 0 damage.
That’s Chaos Nova. 1 min cd. And the chance is low ( 25% I think? )
If you look at the arena tops you’ll see that’s not nowhere near true.
Survival Hunter, DKs, Windwalkers, Rogues are all far better.
I can find plenty, I just did a 15 this week. I find M+ boring. It’s not real content in my eyes, it’s just recycled dungeons. I can’t imagine doing the same dungeon all expansion over and over. I’d unsub.
Raiding is the only PVE content. M+ is something I do for an extra dice roll for gear and some AP. It’s a chore, just like Isle expeds and dailies.
But yes, DHs are pretty great in M+. That being said, Hunters, Warriors, Rogues, Elementals can easily keep up with us in damage.
Arms is less faceroll because you don’t generate as much rage as DH does generate fury, and as you said, you are to Mortal S on cooldown. You have to calculate your rage gain and cost, should I Slam now and wait for rage to my next MStrike or wait 1sec and hit MStrike when it’s ready ? Do you have those seconds were you better do nothing but auto-attack to actually do decent dmg with havoc ?
Now about arms utility yeah, that’s one of the saddest thing in the game but arms went from a polyvalent fighter to a weak dmg bot, a sort of add on for healer. It used to be way more active in arena, more than DH right now.
Of course the class you mentioned heal better than you, since they have to sacrifice damage to heal ( fury is in the same state that dh tho, it shouldn’t heal so much passively).
Why is Metamorph not a burst ?
And what has the meta to do with state of DH in general ?
You’re comparing you to broken class like warlocks ? It’s the lock (and by extent the casters) season, Blizzard voluntary made them overtuned. Exactly like DH during Legion. It’s gonna change.
And yeah as I said, some classes are better (survival, fury, dk, ww) and some class are worst. Does that really make the DH in need of a buff tho ?
Arms also generates it passively so hey.
No you don’t, because your priority is clear. It’s not like you have a lot of abilities that ragedump. And you’d never Slam over MS, would you?
We have that too.
Paladin, Ele, Boomkin, WW all have better burst than DH.
Because you’re still doing like 10K damage a GCD which is peanuts.
The state of DH is relative to the meta, obviously.
If everyone is beautiful no one is beautiful.
Sure, why wouldn’t I? " Blizz decided to make them OP ‘’ is a shoddy excuse in my eyes.
Yes? That’s how balance works. If other classes are massively better you nerf them/buff the others.
FOTM is not what you should strive for.
DH loses almost to every melee in PvP in 1v1 scenario. If you manage to win you must make a greater effort than most of the melees.
We have no burst to kill healer in 2v2 arenas. Every other melee can do that better. We need to relly on mana rift and hope that our healer will survive untill we will drain whole mana.
We have no slows. Yes we are mobile, but we can be slowed, dazed, rooted like anybody alse. Two felrushes won’t help you.
Our leech is nothing if we are unable to reach target and do damage. If you crit on execute, our leech won’t save us.
Blur is the only real defensive we have. Darkness is weak if not talented and there is easy counter play for it - just don’t stay in it and get out of range.
Tldr: no burst, slow, cannot kill healer in arenas fast enough, only viable because of mana drain. Trash for PvP.
DHs biggest issue is lack of interesting Talents. Insatiable Hunger, Fel Mastery, Cycle of Hatred, Dark Slash and Nemesis are all horrible talents which have to get replaced.
Vengeance DH just feels flat out meh with no Gluttony inbuilt and lack of Magic Wards and also the lack of Transformation on Abilities.
Well, I will not waste time to argue if this topic is bad or not. I will say just my opinion:
I always seen Havoc much like secondary dps in BFA. In legion, DH was nuts. The main problem that I see is that class is easily replaceable. DH has nothing special like a BL, Shroud, stones and so on. It is strong but cannot contribute with something to the whole team.