Are mages bad in tbc?

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In my classic guild the officers and GM asked what classes we were planning to play in tbc. I said mage … the response i got was overall negative

Why play mage they are poop, raids only want 1 mage in group they are so poop.

Mages suck , play a warlock or hunter.

Even had mage players in guild said they are re-rolling…

But are they that bad Oo ? I mean i played in tbc back in the day i don’t recall them being so bad , nobody wanted to play one.

I was priest and warrior 70 alt back in TBC so i don’t really know.

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These officers seem rather clueless.

Frost Mages absolutely rock in PvP, and deep fire is a solid and very powerful end game PvE spec. I’m not very familiar with arcane as it was in TBC, as I never played an arcane mage so can’t really comment on that with any degree of authority.

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I say stupid basic ideas from stupid basic people, they don’t seem to grasp anything about the game in TBC.

First of all, you should make a search on the internet/youtube about it, because its very hard to deeply go into it here.

The answer to your question is: mage is still good in TBC. They are monsters in pvp and is part of some of the absolute top team compositions like RMP/RMD etc. (frost spec) Very high skill ceiling tho

For PvE : in dungeons mages are arguably the best dps class you can bring by a huge margin because of their CC, good aoe and good overall damage without needing anyone elses buffs to perform (self-reliance).
In raids, pre-tier5 you need to go fire because tier 5 2-set bonus changes the whole thing. Mages do around 10-12% less dps than warlocks pre tier 5.
After you get 2 pieces of tier 5, arcane becomes the clear go-to spec for raiding. And it does a lot of damage. Actually, it does MORE damage than warlocks for short, bursty fights, but it has a downside, you get oom quickly. So you need a shadow priest, a lot of mana pots and whatever consumable there is to keep your mana healthy. It’s kinda fun as well because your mana bar is like a mini-game in itself.

Now, since we have seen how short every fight has become in classic compared to before, if that happens in TBC and we start blasting through raids, arcane might even be the top tier dps class since mana will not be an issue in short fights.

Final note: The margin between S-tier and lower tier dps classes in TBC isn’t that big like vanilla, and its negligible. On top of that, mage isn’t a F tier dps anyway, it comes as the 3rd best dps after hunters and warlocks and 2nd best caster dps. So the dps gap is small. Every raid needs AT LEAST 1 mage anyway for buffs and food/water and preferably 2 because you can spell steal some buffs from trash packs mobs/bosses which make things a lot easier.

So having 2 mages in an ideal raid composition is very common, where as having 3+1 warlocks is also the general meta. So having 2 of one class and 3 of another shouldn’t be called that the former is useless but you know, they gotta exaggerate and be super hyperbolic about everything to keep the hype up in those meta videos.

So, all in all, mage is A tier in PVP, S tier in dungeons, A tier in raids and a lot of fun.

However if people think that it sucks and they all reroll warlocks I will be extremely happy to get all the gear for myself.
sign: an old orc fury warrior that played in top guilds in tbc and topped meters, playing a cuddly gnome nowdaiz.

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Define bad. Back in TBC people were able to get world first Lady Vashj, Eredar twins and M’uru kills with 3 fire mages in their raids. World first Illidan also had 3 mages, 2 of them frost. World first Kael’thas had 4 fire mages. Mages did however have some shortcomings on Kil’jaeden, where both world first and second only used one. Those are by far the hardest bosses in TBC.

Most guilds won’t have any problems bringing a few mages, and unless your guild is a try hard speedrunning guild who is currently bringing 15+ warriors you should be fine with playing a mage in TBC.

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Depends on the patch Blizzard choose and what dungeons are open.

There are better classes early on but later they become the meme again.

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You cannot have a raid with ONLY hunter and warlock.
And you would waste so much loot.

You NEED all classes in a raid, even meme specs sometimes.

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25 and 10 man vs 40 and 20 man raids too so they will bring less of each class

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By dramatically reduced kill times, arcane mages will be the most threatening rivals of locks and hunters.

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Not really. You can do just fine without most classes. For buffs you can just have someone log their alt and buff the raid, then relog to another character. For instance, back in tbc most guilds used 4 blessings for the second half of sunwell, but very few brought 4 paladins.

Meme specs are never needed.

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That’s a real cope argument.
“You don’t need the classes but oh you need an alt of that class to buff your raid for the content.”
Meaning you do need them.

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Making up quotes won’t make your statement true. Try again.

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I’d say bad argument as well because zoning out of the instance every time you wipe to get arcane intellect buff from an alt would be so much time wasted, let alone what you would do if only one of your raiders died instead of the whole group, would you make him run outside the instance and back in to get a buff?

There will always be one of each class at least in a proper raid setup, not to be confused with specs. No raid cba with running back and forth to get buffs every time.

But then again, buffs, water/food isn’t the only reason why you’ll bring mages to a raid. Mages have a lot of utility(like polymorph in BT, spell steal in GL etc.) and pretty top notch dps as well. (3rd overall but certain fights they can be no.1) They are not a meme class, since there is no meme classes in TBC. (not in vanilla either, one class that is close to a meme is druid yet every raid has at least one)

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It takes about a minute at most, and some of that time you can spend that time drinking/eating anyway. It really doesn’t take much time. Most guilds spend more time than it takes to evaluate what needs to be improved anyway when they wipe. It’s certainly a viable option if you have a limited roster.

You couldn’t possibly go on with one person missing a buff, could you?

Reconwarrior is talking about need, not want. You will never need one of each class. Also, why would you waste your time running back and forth?

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cant argue with free food and drinks and portal service?

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Meta slaving has become so ridicilous these days that even if class/spec A was doing 0.01% less damage than the fotm class/spec B 95% of the spergs on the internet will start calling A a meme class and roll class B. (exaggerating for literal purposes)

Like I know from my recent experience that every single fury warrior I know is rerolling a hunter or warlock in TBC and some polls around show 40% rolling warlock 43% rolling hunter and 1% rolling other specs.

I will play a mage/shadow priest(or mage/ele sham if im not lazy to level from level 1) in TBC and don’t really care about doing 10% less dps on some bosses but also I’m confident that I can top meters in some other bosses similarly. It’s not like comparing a ret pala vs fury warrior in classic where the other class does 4 times more damage than you.

Logs were more or less accurate in classic and here is a good informative video about it.

However on these pservers boss hp is 2.5 times higher so mages have a way way harder time than what will happen in official tbc classic. So it will be a lot better in official. Also, never forget the massive utility.

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I was suprised how no in guildie wanted to roll melee dps at all. All hunter /lock for dps. Resto druid and shaman for healers. Prot pallies only so far.

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Just watch the disgusting the burning meta gameplay with %40 locks %40 hunters %5 healers and the people that only wants to have fun with their class.

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Most people plays this game just for fun.
That’s why you don’t see 20 Furry warriors in a raid. Every tryharder thought that would be the case before Classic launched.

Few care that mages won’t be top dps or any other class for that matter.

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If you’re looking for an efficient run, it’s more of a time waste than actually having someone who can buff inside the raid but does 10% less DPS than somebody else. And if your guild is so bad that the aforementioned 10% makes the difference between a kill and a wipe… then you prolly won’t have the luxury of saying no to mages or other players.

Don’t get me wrong - I wouldn’t advise somebody to roll a mage if their objective is to find a slot on a competitive raid as easily as possible. But they’re not in the same region as, say, enhancement shamans in Vanilla where even the average guilds can and will refuse them. Many good guilds in TBC will have at least one mage, often even two. The only issue may be that, since those slots are at a premium, chances are they’ll be already taken by a long-standing member (like with rogues), so you’ll have a hard time getting into those guilds as a mage yourself.

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Sounds like you should start looking for a new guild that isn’t filled with FotM idiots.

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